DawZi wrote:suppose its no different to when the media show Muslim Clerics preaching hate and violence and condemning people to death
SkinnyShrimp wrote:Tell that to all the troops in Iraq and Afganistan - this will whip up the locals even more and this guy should be stopped from doing this under the grounds he is endangering allied troops who are at war! - how must the families of those who have loved ones fighting feel when they see and hear this biggot spouting off - absolute disgrace
but lets get this right, if everybody was sensible then these stupid wars wouldn't be happening, would they?
Posh wrote:I certainly don't want my tax money to pay for children to learn anti-science in the form of creationism, which happens at several Christian schools and virtually all state-funded Muslim schools.
Posh wrote:I agree that some people in some parts of the Muslim world are completely over-reacting and are far stronger in the zealot department than religious leaders in the west. Yet remember that's a supposed Christian church leader who kicked all this off in the first place; it was Christians at Waco, Jonestown; and it was Christians who butchered people in their thousands in the name of God in Uganda.
And on a lesser level but to me as important its Christians, together with other religions who are doing their best to divide our society with the delivery of more and more faith schools in this country. The vast majority of people in this country don't worship their faith, are agnostic or atheist. I don't want my children indocrinated by adults, whether its into the CofE, the Moonies or any other religion. I certainly don't want my tax money to pay for children to learn anti-science in the form of creationism, which happens at several Christian schools and virtually all state-funded Muslim schools.
http://www.humanism.org.uk/campaigns/wh ... -Evolution
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fait ... /episode-1
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5150 ... eam-school
shrimper wrote:Posh wrote:I agree that some people in some parts of the Muslim world are completely over-reacting and are far stronger in the zealot department than religious leaders in the west. Yet remember that's a supposed Christian church leader who kicked all this off in the first place; it was Christians at Waco, Jonestown; and it was Christians who butchered people in their thousands in the name of God in Uganda.
And on a lesser level but to me as important its Christians, together with other religions who are doing their best to divide our society with the delivery of more and more faith schools in this country. The vast majority of people in this country don't worship their faith, are agnostic or atheist. I don't want my children indocrinated by adults, whether its into the CofE, the Moonies or any other religion. I certainly don't want my tax money to pay for children to learn anti-science in the form of creationism, which happens at several Christian schools and virtually all state-funded Muslim schools.
http://www.humanism.org.uk/campaigns/wh ... -Evolution
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fait ... /episode-1
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5150 ... eam-school
That was my point - the rest I agree with.
My view is that when you switch off the normal analytical part of your brain that would, otherwise, cause you to question the very basis of religion (ie you 'just believe' - which I argue you have to to follow any deity-based faith) then you lay yourself open to all kinds of manipulation by those who claim access to the almighty and 'his' teachings.
Most of the time, and with most people, nothing sinister comes of that (and indeed a lot of good is done in the name of religion, though not much that couldn't be achieved without the trimmings of faith) but it does open up the extremists to all kinds of suggestion and dangerous nonsense that would otherwise be revealed as precisely that.
Posh wrote: "Ooh sun's gone behind a cloud, quick pork pie".
jonnythedog wrote:It's not unusual for people to actively seek to create or embrace an "us and them" situation with a different group. It happens in so many different situations and most of the time they are ridiculous. The Lancaster Uni collegiate system is a fine example, it actively exploits it with inter-college sport to create a kinship between college members, this is in no way a bad thing though when you consider how big the university is. As football fans we are exposed to this quite regularly. Jane Elliotts Blues Eyes/Brown Eyes experiment shows how easily prejudice can occur http://www.janeelliott.com/.
I have many interests and as part of those interest i'm constantly told that i'm not meant to like some other group. A good example is that I play rugby union for a local club, so as a rugby union player i'm not meant to like 1) Rugby League, 2) Football and 3) Any other clubs in the local area. All of these leave me in a somewhat difficult situation as I 1) Played Rugby League at Uni and had a Castleford season ticket for 2 years, 2) Love football and will be going to the Morecambe game tomorrow rather than playing rugby (resting up for the great north run) and 3) have played for more than one club in the local area. Now this is all pretty trivial when you compare it to religion.
So bare that in mind and than exacerbate it a million times over. Religions represent millions of people and as part of this there are people who are willing to die for their beliefs. For me, one of the of the key reasons that religions exist is so they can be a moral guide or a form of social contol. When someone chooses to become a priest or a vicar they are putting themselves on a pedestal that says they are going to be a religious guide or moral leader to the followers of that religion. Therefore for someone in this position to make the decision to destroy something which means so much to members of another religion he is showing a shocking lack of respect and responsibility to not only the followers of the alternative religion but also to his own followers as he meant to be their moral guide. When you consider this and the possibility as others have mentioned, that this guy has done this to gain media attention, so has essentially sold out his responsibilities for a bit of coverage in what is already a pretty volatile environment, you can only come to the conclusion that he is a total prick.
Posh wrote: Meanwhile Muslims go 30 days without placing anything in their mouths during sunlight - no food, no drink, no fags, no blowjobs, nothing. The Lent thing you can mess about with but with Ramadan it's hardly like you can cheat. "Ooh sun's gone behind a cloud, quick pork pie".
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