Will the Globe open on time?

Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Keith » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:50 am

bigreddog wrote:bill shankley once said " football is a simple game complicated by fools", for football it's easy to substitute the words "health and safety" normally because there's some daily mail reading, clip board wielding idiot wandering round telling you he thinks the law says, rather than reading it.


Come on Darren, I'd have thought you of all people would have an ingrained philosophy of 'evidence based practice' and therefore looked at 'the evidence' rather than knee jerk 'anti-Health & Safety' comments. For starters, they are actually the type of comments more likely to be seen IN THE DAILY MAIL (have you gone over to the dark side?)

At a time when a family of a Morecambe fan are still having to come to terms with the tragic death of a loved one at work, you appear to be suggesting that industry should relax the rules and regulations regarding safe practice? Health & Safety has made the working environment far safer than ever before, both for 'workers' and the public. You only have to look at the awful events that have taken place inside football grounds over the years with multiple deaths at Ibrox (twice) and Hillsborough with numerous 'near misses' in crushes to realise that had a Health & Safety culture been in place, the lessons of previous crushes could have been learned from and Hillsborough avoided. Instead back then, the culture was one of 'ah, it'll never really happen'. The Bradford fire couldn't happen again and if something like it did happen, where there had been clear negligence, then the people responsible would be in prison.

So come on Darren, put your Daily Mail back down and look at the evidence. I for one am glad that idiots like me can't just wander on to a building site and start labouring without any training or guidance.

Incidentally, during the 60's & 70's my dad worked on motorway construction, driving 'scrapers'
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He blagged his way through the interview, lying that he'd driven them before on another job. When asked to demonstrate that he 'knew' what he was doing, he jumped in the cab and following instructions that were literally written on the back of a fag packet by a mate, set about doing a scrape and dumping the earth. He got the job.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby bigreddog » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:28 am

I'm not suggesting that anybody relax any rules, what I am saying is that the rules that apply to a building site apply when it's a site. therefore so long as it's safe for volunteers then when it's not a designated building site they would be able to be there. it's not a massive concept really. at the heart of health and safety, when implemented properly, is common sense.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby marky No.1 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:44 am

Common sense is a magical phrase. Us older farts were brought up on it, but unfortunately nowadays the phenomenan has been washed away. It applies to so many day to day tasks. Just a pity we can't travel it
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Seasider9601 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:26 am

Keith wrote:
bigreddog wrote:bill shankley once said " football is a simple game complicated by fools", for football it's easy to substitute the words "health and safety" normally because there's some daily mail reading, clip board wielding idiot wandering round telling you he thinks the law says, rather than reading it.


Come on Darren, I'd have thought you of all people would have an ingrained philosophy of 'evidence based practice' and therefore looked at 'the evidence' rather than knee jerk 'anti-Health & Safety' comments. For starters, they are actually the type of comments more likely to be seen IN THE DAILY MAIL (have you gone over to the dark side?)

At a time when a family of a Morecambe fan are still having to come to terms with the tragic death of a loved one at work, you appear to be suggesting that industry should relax the rules and regulations regarding safe practice? Health & Safety has made the working environment far safer than ever before, both for 'workers' and the public. You only have to look at the awful events that have taken place inside football grounds over the years with multiple deaths at Ibrox (twice) and Hillsborough with numerous 'near misses' in crushes to realise that had a Health & Safety culture been in place, the lessons of previous crushes could have been learned from and Hillsborough avoided. Instead back then, the culture was one of 'ah, it'll never really happen'. The Bradford fire couldn't happen again and if something like it did happen, where there had been clear negligence, then the people responsible would be in prison.

So come on Darren, put your Daily Mail back down and look at the evidence. I for one am glad that idiots like me can't just wander on to a building site and start labouring without any training or guidance.

Incidentally, during the 60's & 70's my dad worked on motorway construction, driving 'scrapers'
one of these...
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He blagged his way through the interview, lying that he'd driven them before on another job. When asked to demonstrate that he 'knew' what he was doing, he jumped in the cab and following instructions that were literally written on the back of a fag packet by a mate, set about doing a scrape and dumping the earth. He got the job.


Was that Graveson's your dad worked for Keith ??
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Heysham_Shrimp » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:29 am

Ive been down every evening this week to see whats happening.

Admittedly from behind the fence by the church you can only see the away end and part of the main stand.

The away end is looking nearly finished , the car park had been tarmaced yesterday. Also the landscaping is in progress, all the areas such as the perimeter and between the circular road and the car park had been filled with top soil ready for plants and shrubs etc.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Keith » Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:17 pm

bigreddog wrote:I'm not suggesting that anybody relax any rules, what I am saying is that the rules that apply to a building site apply when it's a site. therefore so long as it's safe for volunteers then when it's not a designated building site they would be able to be there. it's not a massive concept really. at the heart of health and safety, when implemented properly, is common sense.


I apologies, I mistook this bit as being 'anti-H&S', my mistake

bigreddog wrote:normally because there's some daily mail reading, clip board wielding idiot wandering round telling you he thinks the law says, rather than reading it.


:roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby alwaysright » Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:35 pm

Will all that boarding remain in place until all the landscaping has been done ????
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Heysham_Shrimp » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:30 pm

Just back from another look at the site.

The car park at the away end is all marked out with hatching.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby heysham_mfc » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:23 pm

alwaysright wrote:Will all that boarding remain in place until all the landscaping has been done ????

hope not!
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Christies Child » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:38 pm

Heysham_Shrimp wrote:Just back from another look at the site.

The car park at the away end is all marked out with hatching.


Have they levelled the car park adjacent to the caravan site?

Yesterday it was being used as a dump for all the waste from the build. Somebody suggested at the Kendal game that there are no plans to tarmac this area. In winter it'll be like a lake and nobody will want to park there if that is the case.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Heysham_Shrimp » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:43 pm

Christies Child wrote:
Heysham_Shrimp wrote:Just back from another look at the site.

The car park at the away end is all marked out with hatching.


Have they levelled the car park adjacent to the caravan site?

Yesterday it was being used as a dump for all the waste from the build. Somebody suggested at the Kendal game that there are no plans to tarmac this area. In winter it'll be like a lake and nobody will want to park there if that is the case.


It did look a lot more level than recently but not been tarmaced yet.

It looks like away coaches etc will exit via the gate there and go out of the road that goes to the caravan site.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Christies Child » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:52 pm

Heysham_Shrimp wrote:
Christies Child wrote:
Heysham_Shrimp wrote:Just back from another look at the site.

The car park at the away end is all marked out with hatching.


Have they levelled the car park adjacent to the caravan site?

Yesterday it was being used as a dump for all the waste from the build. Somebody suggested at the Kendal game that there are no plans to tarmac this area. In winter it'll be like a lake and nobody will want to park there if that is the case.


It did look a lot more level than recently but not been tarmaced yet.

It looks like away coaches etc will exit via the gate there and go out of the road that goes to the caravan site.


....let's hope that the local indians don't ambush them down 'bomb alley'.... :o
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby alwaysright » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:56 pm

Pity the poor Coventry fans having to run the gauntlet down there at night
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Crooky MFC » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:21 pm

Roads now look complete, things moving very quickly indeed :) The place was jam packed at around 3 o'clock with workers, they were even having to park on Westgate by the entrance there wasnt enough room! Cant wait now :D
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Heysham_Shrimp » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:33 pm

There will be something live from the Globe tomorrow on Radio Lancashire's breakfast programme between 6 and 9am

Presumably Tim Padfield will be there to report.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Crooky MFC » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:37 pm

They're still working on it at this moment.
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Seasider9601 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:42 pm

It's all coming together well and Tuesday night will be just fantastic !!

Just need those hoardings taking away now and that bloody mound of soil shifting ...... !!
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Mark S » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:01 pm

Seasider9601 wrote:It's all coming together well and Tuesday night will be just fantastic !!

Just need those hoardings taking away now and that bloody mound of soil shifting ...... !!



If we get Darren down there with his wellies and a wheelbarrow closely watched by Keith and his clipboard, it will be soon shifted! :lol:
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Re: Will the Globe open on time?

Postby Heysham_Shrimp » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:08 pm

Christies Child wrote:
Heysham_Shrimp wrote:Just back from another look at the site.

The car park at the away end is all marked out with hatching.


Have they levelled the car park adjacent to the caravan site?

Yesterday it was being used as a dump for all the waste from the build. Somebody suggested at the Kendal game that there are no plans to tarmac this area. In winter it'll be like a lake and nobody will want to park there if that is the case.



looks like they are preparing to tarmac that bit by the caravan site. Today they have been spreading aggregate and plenty more big piles of aggregate are ready to spread.

Looks like the rest of the parking spaces have been hatched today.

They were testing the P.A. system around 6-30 tonight.
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