Big Baz (and t'other stuff from Chesterfield folk)

[Heysham_Shrimp]

Fast forward 10 years. Community block is being demolished to allow a stand of similar stature to the Main Stand to be built. Community facilities will be provided under this stand in a similar way to the facilities in the Main Stand. That is what I hope we will end up with.

when you look at the for difference in value compared to the B2net Stadium(costing 13-million) a ground nearly twice the size and all seater would be even bigger if they had standing terracing behind there goals

plus they also have conference rooms and banquet rooms just like us to generate none match day income, all be it -minus some all weather training pitches --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2net_Stadium


i cant belive what a deal there getting and there ground is more future proof than ours in the sense if we grow as a club and get a couple of promotions we will be kicking ourselves

and dont forget we only just fell short of playing L1 football, so it's not unrealistic to not think Morecambe can achieve bigger and better things

You cannot compare them on a like for like basis.

As I understand it they didn't have to purchase the land whereas we had to buy Westgate at full market value from the Council.
Chesterfield didn't have to spend £500,000 to re-locate a football club (Westgate Wanderers)
Chesterfield don't have enough land together with outline planning permission to build a hotel and fast food outlets which eventually will be very lucrative for our funds.
Have you ever been to watch a county cricket match thats being played on a test ground like Old Trafford? 2,000 people spread around a 20,000 stadium and sounds like a cathedral. Well unless there are at least 6,000 in a 10,000 all seater stadium it is very dead.
We are debt free. I have a feeling Chesterfield will have massive debt for their stadium and even if it is mainly owing to Dave Allen he will still require repayment in due course.
Give our board some real credit, they are businessmen.

[parceldave]

Fast forward 10 years. Community block is being demolished to allow a stand of similar stature to the Main Stand to be built. Community facilities will be provided under this stand in a similar way to the facilities in the Main Stand. That is what I hope we will end up with.

when you look at the for difference in value compared to the B2net Stadium(costing 13-million) a ground nearly twice the size and all seater would be even bigger if they had standing terracing behind there goals

plus they also have conference rooms and banquet rooms just like us to generate none match day income, all be it -minus some all weather training pitches --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2net_Stadium


i cant belive what a deal there getting and there ground is more future proof than ours in the sense if we grow as a club and get a couple of promotions we will be kicking ourselves

and dont forget we only just fell short of playing L1 football, so it's not unrealistic to not think Morecambe can achieve bigger and better things

You cannot compare them on a like for like basis.

As I understand it they didn't have to purchase the land whereas we had to buy Westgate at full market value from the Council.
Chesterfield didn't have to spend £500,000 to re-locate a football club (Westgate Wanderers)
Chesterfield don't have enough land together with outline planning permission to build a hotel and fast food outlets which eventually will be very lucrative for our funds.
Have you ever been to watch a county cricket match thats being played on a test ground like Old Trafford? 2,000 people spread around a 20,000 stadium and sounds like a cathedral. Well unless there are at least 6,000 in a 10,000 all seater stadium it is very dead.
We are debt free. I have a feeling Chesterfield will have massive debt for their stadium and even if it is mainly owing to Dave Allen he will still require repayment in due course.
Give our board some real credit, they are businessmen.

Separate buildings (being built at the same time as the stadium) include a Tesco Extra superstore, hotel, Texaco petrol station,a KFC and other office facilities.

[Heysham_Shrimp]

i cant belive what a deal there getting and there ground is more future proof than ours in the sense if we grow as a club and get a couple of promotions we will be kicking ourselves

and dont forget we only just fell short of playing L1 football, so it's not unrealistic to not think Morecambe can achieve bigger and better things[/quote]


You cannot compare them on a like for like basis.

As I understand it they didn't have to purchase the land whereas we had to buy Westgate at full market value from the Council.
Chesterfield didn't have to spend £500,000 to re-locate a football club (Westgate Wanderers)
Chesterfield don't have enough land together with outline planning permission to build a hotel and fast food outlets which eventually will be very lucrative for our funds.
Have you ever been to watch a county cricket match thats being played on a test ground like Old Trafford? 2,000 people spread around a 20,000 stadium and sounds like a cathedral. Well unless there are at least 6,000 in a 10,000 all seater stadium it is very dead.
We are debt free. I have a feeling Chesterfield will have massive debt for their stadium and even if it is mainly owing to Dave Allen he will still require repayment in due course.
Give our board some real credit, they are businessmen.[/quote]


Separate buildings (being built at the same time as the stadium) include a Tesco Extra superstore, hotel, Texaco petrol station,a KFC and other office facilities.[/quote]


And if they don't own the land then someone else will receive the income from those developments.

[RedRedWine1]

We planned to spend £12 million pound on a completed stadium with all the trimmings. Everything that you have talked about Heysham_shrimp must have been in the budget to start with. Yes? I'd even like to think that there was even a sizeable contingency for things that ran over budget.

As far as I'm aware we have spent £12 million pounds on a stadium, yet the completed project is quite different from the plan in certain areas. Why? Why did we not have enough money to stick to plan?

And before anybody says it, I'm not having a go at the board. It is a fairly simple question if you ask me. So far the replies have been fairly speculative; in fact most people are too pre-occupied to defend the board of directors that they have completely missed the point. I'm not saying that we need the extra capacity/facilities that have not been built; only that they were in the initial plan and budgeted for, yet they have not been built.

[George Dawes]

i know this is a rough estimate

- £500,000 for buying the land and helping Westgate wanderer's move to a new home

- £500,000 for them all weather pitches for arguments sake

Globe arena now at 11-million + B2net_stadium 13-million = i would now be expecting the new car wash end to be of the same standard as the stand opposite, i think people are right to feel short changed with the new carwash end with that odd looking building


note i like the smaller home end i think that will be a success in creating a better close knitt atmosphere and away end

[bill ding]

So we read a few comments on another forum about our new ground and now its rapidly becoming a load of shite .
I think we need to take a step back here and think about what we now have .
A ground which should generate income which CP could never do.
Our own training facilities ,including training pitch and gym.
A sound base from which we can move onward and upward .
A fantastic facillity for the community which will hopefully encourage bigger crowds. There will be teams in league 2 and even a number in league 1 who will be envious of what we now have ,and i for one am as proud as hell of our GLOBE ARENA , bollox to the rest.

[outsider]

I think EVERYBODY should give it a rest untill they have been INSIDE and seen our new ground when it's finished

[RedRedWine1]

I hope I'm not being tarred with the negative brush again. I'm being far from negative, I'm just wondering why the spend is the same yet the scale of the project has decreased. What we will get is still brilliant for Morecambe FC and the surrounding area, I'm just puzzled as to why the costs have clearly gone up.

I'm told that the corporate boxes have all but sold out for the first season at the Globe, in excess of £100k worth of income that Christie Park could not generate.

[Curly]

Has Barry Roche signed up for a box?

[steve mfc]

So we read a few comments on another forum about our new ground and now its rapidly becoming a load of shite .
I think we need to take a step back here and think about what we now have .
A ground which should generate income which CP could never do.
Our own training facilities ,including training pitch and gym.
A sound base from which we can move onward and upward .
A fantastic facillity for the community which will hopefully encourage bigger crowds. There will be teams in league 2 and even a number in league 1 who will be envious of what we now have ,and i for one am as proud as hell of our GLOBE ARENA , bollox to the rest.

I couldn't agree more, and lets not forget the common consensus on this forum was that we didn't want a Chester type stadium we wanted it to be a bit different, we wanted terracing and for it not be completely uniform, yes some things had to be scaled back but that's life.

[outsider]

I hope I'm not being tarred with the negative brush again. I'm being far from negative, I'm just wondering why the spend is the same yet the scale of the project has decreased. What we will get is still brilliant for Morecambe FC and the surrounding area, I'm just puzzled as to why the costs have clearly gone up.

I'm told that the corporate boxes have all but sold out for the first season at the Globe, in excess of £100k worth of income that Christie Park could not generate.

Do you still get the same amount of Gas/Lecce/Petrol/Cheese as you did 2 years ago for the same cost? Cost's go up, cut back's made. Lets just trust them that are incharge............. They aint done to bad a job so far!

[shrimpnsave]

im a tad confused here.....

is the new stadium to be called Big Baz

[Caged Lion]

CC has made some empirically astute comments. I can't be arsed 'quoting'...just read his post.

What is wrong with you lot??????????????

The new stadium is a fantastic improvement...the management, team and potential are vastly superior to anything that the FANS (us?) have ever experienced. So just bloody well enjoy. Who cares what it cost and if it isn't quite as profound as the Chesterfield stadium...sheeeish it is very brave of the Board and investors to go ahead and provide YOU (the fans) with something that will be vastly superior to anything you have enjoyed previously as a Morecambe FC supporter. If you want a bigger and better stadium...a higher calibre squad...just piss off to another club in a higher division with a bigger debt.

If not...just get on with enjoying the future and try supporting the club and team to the best of your ability.

[outsider]

im a tad confused here.....

is the new stadium to be called Big Baz

Yup that was the stumbling block in his new contract, When he saw it was called the Globe he thought they had named it after Mullin's head.

[Heysham_Shrimp]

Chesterfield had to wait 130 years in the league to get a new ground.

we waited 3 years.

we are a debt free club. I doubt if Chesterfield will be.

Stockport and Crystal Palace are still doubtful as to whether they will be in existence next season. We know we are in great shape for the future.

[heysham_mfc]

So it's great that Barry has finally sig..............no hang on, why the hell are we not biuling a proper ground with 4 covered sides!

[ezz]

Just one thing i'd like clarifying if possible??
Are we actually debt free? I mean 12million on a stadium, surely the sainsburys deal didin't pay that off and I cant see us having millions in the bank?
Surely we must have some debt from building the new stadium, but I may be wrong just like someone to clarify if they actually know....not just say it

[Caged Lion]

What has this thread got to do with Big Baz? Means nothing...just because the title says Big Baz...phah

I imagine Big Baz will be on holiday now, logging onto SVes every other hour and wondering when somebody is going to make a relevant comment. Blog on Big Baz..............

We deffo can't be 'debt free'. Who the hell is 'debt free' these days. My kids have either finished uni with massive debt or are currently squeezing as many shekels out of the old regime as they possibly can before the LibCons change the rules. Listen to Kerrching with Shania Twain (to my old rheumy eyes she is hot) it sums things up.

Debt isn't a scary issue any more...I remember when we bought things on HP or on the tick, it was shameful. Nobody has enough money these days to buy a a gallon of diesel without using a credit card and most football clubs use going into administration as a right of passage, not something to be ashamed of.

[mrpotatohead]

Baz must find this post a bit confusing if he logs on here, starts off well, all the best baz and all that, but quickly descends into an our new grounds better than yours, our fans are better than yours, and a few, our new grounds not good enough moans, THANKS BAZ FOR SIGNING, THANKS PM AND BOARD FOR GIVING MFC A GREAT NEW FUTURE, I WOULD ADVISE ANYONE ON HERE UNHAPPY ABOUT THE STADIUM, TO MAKE THE BOARD AN OFFER, THEN PUT UP OR SHUT UP

[mrpotatohead]

Side note, are we debt free, as fans we are not in a position to ask that question as it is none of our business, MFC is a business and we are the customers, not co owners

[Caged Lion]

Baz must find this post a bit confusing if he logs on here, starts off well, all the best baz and all that, but quickly descends into an our new grounds better than yours, our fans are better than yours, and a few, our new grounds not good enough moans, THANKS BAZ FOR SIGNING, THANKS PM AND BOARD FOR GIVING MFC A GREAT NEW FUTURE, I WOULD ADVISE ANYONE ON HERE UNHAPPY ABOUT THE STADIUM, TO MAKE THE BOARD AN OFFER, THEN PUT UP OR SHUT UP

Don't worry a Mod will come on here soon and lock it down as irrelevant...or move it to the CC Transfer Shambles thread. Barry Barry Ro Oach...Barry Barry Roach

[George Dawes]

Side note, are we debt free, as fans we are not in a position to ask that question as it is none of our business, MFC is a business and we are the customers, not co owners

you serious?

fans pay money through turnstiles and without them clubs would not exist so fans are in a very strong position ask question's what dont add up

[Keith]

Side note, are we debt free, as fans we are not in a position to ask that question as it is none of our business, MFC is a business and we are the customers, not co owners

you serious?

fans pay money through turnstiles and without them clubs would not exist so fans are in a very strong position ask question's what dont add up

So do people who visit a cinema but they don't question Warner Brothers about their business plans unless they buy enough shares. Football fans always think they have a right to question the share holders in a way that other business customers would never dream of...











AND DAMN RIGHT THEY ARE TOO! IT'S FOOTBALL AND IT'S MY CLUB!!!

[mrpotatohead]

Cheers keith for helping me state the obvious to well meaning fans who do not grasp the fact that even lancaster city fans support a team that is also a business, I run a small business that has customers, and i do my best to provide a good service, our board are providing a fantastic service, anyone round here that does not want to shop at MFC, can support lancaster or garstang

[Curly]

Cheers keith for helping me state the obvious to well meaning fans who do not grasp the fact that even lancaster city fans support a team that is also a business, I run a small business that has customers, and i do my best to provide a good service, our board are providing a fantastic service, anyone round here that does not want to shop at MFC, can support lancaster or garstang

Andy Bishop's going to Garstang