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[shrimper]

I have a friend around whom I have to be very careful when he talks about books.

He still (despite my hints to look a little deeper into it - I only hint so as not to upset him, he is a very dear friend) believes that the basis of the Da Vinci Code is a factual, historical account.

He's not alone, I too believe there's a big puzzle going on round loads of pieces of art and little boxes that hold the map to a cool ancient hiding place.
Same with National Treasure too, our ancestors loved these crazy worldwide treasure hunts.

Perhaps. But Da Vinci Code has had people saying 'ah yes but there WAS this ancient organisation and it DID do this and that; and they DID find some manuscripts....etc'.

All revealed as a scam perpetrated by father and son team who invented it all.

[ezz]

There could have been many 'secret' organisations through history that noone knows about, hence the secrecy. I agree though that the chances are that one was made up.

[shrimper]

The name wasn't made up, evidently. There was such a 'group' as the Priory of Sion but they didn't do what Dan Brown has them doing and didn't include in their number such names as the book claims were members.

[George Dawes]

Posh

Isn't the world a funny place. I was really intrigued by your post. Having lived in Northern Ireland and written my thesis on government policy on NI, and read loads of books in the course of my research then and since I'd never heard of anything that could form the basis of the book you describe. So I did a bit of research. The reviews of the book are fantastic and provoked incredible responses from its readers. e.g.

"The Nemesis File is an extremely important peice of work, that, had to be carried out."

"The Nemesis File brings home our worst fears! Governments that are above the law. Condemning thirld World Dictatorship's for their brutality, whilst acting in the exact same manner as those Dictators."


"Before reading The Nemesis File I was aware that there had been an alleged shoot to kill policy in Northern Ireland but I thought that the SAS men involved always had reason to suspect that they were facing armed IRA operatives. To learn that Paul Bruce's unit carried out cold-blooded killings is truly shocking and I am left wondering if the same thing could happen again, I guess it could. If there is anything encouraging about human nature in this book it is that the four SAS men involved felt such revulsion and struggled to cope with the nature of their work and I hope the authorities have learnt from this. This book deserves to have the widest readership possible because the events it describes are disturbing in the extreme".

"I don't believe it! This book is FANTASTIC and has shown me just what the Governments are all about. This is a World's best selling book for God's sake!!!"

But then of course you dig deeper.

From the old Royal Ulster Constabulary website

"THE NEMESIS FILE: A TRUE STORY OF AN EXECUTION SQUAD
The Royal Ulster Constabulary has for some time been making enquiries into alleged serious criminal offences, primarily as a result of allegations made in the book "The Nemisis File: the true story of an Execution Squad" which is published by Blake Publishing.

As part of our continuing enquiries, and having regard to the seriousness of the allegations made in the book, the book's author was arrested by RUC officers under the Prevention of Terrorism Act and was interviewed at Castlereagh Police Station, Belfast.

Enquiries into the matter have now been completed and we are satisfied that the allegations contained in the book are not true in fact or substance and this includes an assertion that the author was at some time a member of the Special Air Services Regiment. The RUC is satisfied that the author has not been concerned, either directly or indirectly, in the commission of any serious criminal offence whilst serving in the Province during the period February _ June 1972 when he served as a vehicle mechanic with the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers. The RUC considers the book "The Nemesis File: the true story of an Execution Squad" as a work of fiction and accordingly the investigation is now closed".

According to the Belfast Telegraph and other press reports its a complete work of fiction by a former Army mechanic. Seemingly a good read though.

hhmmm interesting but now after reading that just make me wonder it is true, with them saying as a alibi "it's only a book and it's only based on a true story and not all fact" for legal reasons on the same grounds as the Irish are wanting all of the 3-Paratrooper regiment on bloody sunday to be named and charged with murder


but it's always good to keep a open mind

[Star08]

Where there's money to be made there's usually a market. I studied paganism in the pre- and early- Christian period as part of my degree (very useful ) ... the nonsense that people spout about paganism, claiming the nonsense is founded in history because they've read the work of a certain notable 20th Century author, never ceases to amaze me...

[durhamshrimp]

I have a friend around whom I have to be very careful when he talks about books.

He still (despite my hints to look a little deeper into it - I only hint so as not to upset him, he is a very dear friend) believes that the basis of the Da Vinci Code is a factual, historical account.

I know people who think the same thing about a little book of fairy stories called the bible. Some people will never learn.

[Star08]

"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."

[Posh]

hhmmm interesting but now after reading that just make me wonder it is true, with them saying as a alibi "it's only a book and it's only based on a true story and not all fact" for legal reasons on the same grounds as the Irish are wanting all of the 3-Paratrooper regiment on bloody sunday to be named and charged with murder

There is a rather significant difference. It is a fact that 15 civilians were killed by Paratroopers on what's now known as Bloody Sunday. The circumstances though are open to question so it has been the subject of an intense enquiry costing millions.

In the case of our Nemesis SAS man, he was arrested by the police for the crimes he claimed in his book; re-arrested for obstructing justice; and proved through his colleagues in the Army he was a fantasist.

If you're really interested in the genuine issues regarding Northern Ireland then I'd suggest looking into and reading the following:

Brian Nelson - Loyalist terrorist and British agent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Nels ... %80%932003)

The fire at the Stevens Enquiry (see obstruction)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens_Inquiry_Team

Kincora Boy's Home
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_boy%27s_home

Freddie Scappaticci - THe spy at the top of the IRA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife

The Dublin and Monaghan Bombings - who was reall responsible for the biggest terrorist act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and ... n_bombings

There are a lot more but the most extraordinary stroy I remember from my time was the story of the Border Fox, Dessie O'Hare. I'm still surprised his story has never ben the subject of a film perhaps because it so implausible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dessie_O'Hare
http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/feat ... 82548.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunda ... 06382.html

[George Dawes]

hhmmm interesting but now after reading that just make me wonder it is true, with them saying as a alibi "it's only a book and it's only based on a true story and not all fact" for legal reasons on the same grounds as the Irish are wanting all of the 3-Paratrooper regiment on bloody sunday to be named and charged with murder

There is a rather significant difference. It is a fact that 15 civilians were killed by Paratroopers on what's now known as Bloody Sunday. The circumstances though are open to question so it has been the subject of an intense enquiry costing millions.

In the case of our Nemesis SAS man, he was arrested by the police for the crimes he claimed in his book; re-arrested for obstructing justice; and proved through his colleagues in the Army he was a fantasist.

If you're really interested in the genuine issues regarding Northern Ireland then I'd suggest looking into and reading the following:

Brian Nelson - Loyalist terrorist and British agent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Nels ... %80%932003)

The fire at the Stevens Enquiry (see obstruction)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens_Inquiry_Team

Kincora Boy's Home
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_boy%27s_home

Freddie Scappaticci - THe spy at the top of the IRA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife

The Dublin and Monaghan Bombings - who was reall responsible for the biggest terrorist act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and ... n_bombings

There are a lot more but the most extraordinary stroy I remember from my time was the story of the Border Fox, Dessie O'Hare. I'm still surprised his story has never ben the subject of a film perhaps because it so implausible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dessie_O'Hare
http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/feat ... 82548.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunda ... 06382.html

i will try and find time to look into them

it's just my uncle originally from Carnforth who was ex sargent major in 3-para and a ex armed body guard for the queen and since leaving the army in 1983 as worked for AL Fayed who apparently only employs ex SAS the owner of Harrods & Fulham. is still with him now at 70 yrs of age so trusted.

but! for some reason my uncle who is normally so private wont say jack shit to me or family when questioned about suspect involvement in the SAS , recommended this book to me after slagging off Andy McNab for kiss n tell fantasy's books and said he's a disgrace to the badge