Burton 5 Morecambe 2

[Plain Peter]

Just got home.
Does Twiss hitting the woodwork twice count as on target or not?
At the interval Shrimps were the best team as easily capable of turning it round.
Their 5th goal was just as stupid as donkey acting like a donkey for the penalty.
Good night out in Burton last night (I think).
Great beer.
Nice people
Got an upgrade from an executive double to a suite, really happy with that.

[marky No.1]

Just got home.
Does Twiss hitting the woodwork twice count as on target or not?

No. If it was on target, it would have gone in and been a goal. Although Neil Warnock would maybe disagree

[Plain Peter]

What if he hit the bar, the ball rebounded back, hit the goalie's bonce and into the net.
Off target still?

[marky No.1]

What if he hit the bar, the ball rebounded back, hit the goalie's bonce and into the net.
Off target still?

Then its a goal and not a shot on target is'nt it?

However if it did what you say then the goalie saves it then it must be a shot on target

[P/T Indie]

Just watching the highlights this morning how easily did their winger go past Moss before putting the goal in which lead to the goal (think it was the 1st). Evertime I see Moss play the wingers run round him as if he is not there and no was is he a wing back.

Strange how the defence seems to have gone to pieces since heining came in. Is it taking the CB's a while to gel and work out how to play with each other.

Think my defence would be

Artell Heinning and Mcstay with Duffy and Wilson as the wing backs.

I think Jimbo needs a couple of reserve games first to gete back up to speed.

[marky No.1]

Just watching the highlights this morning how easily did their winger go past Moss before putting the goal in which lead to the goal (think it was the 1st). Evertime I see Moss play the wingers run round him as if he is not there and no was is he a wing back.

Strange how the defence seems to have gone to pieces since heining came in. Is it taking the CB's a while to gel and work out how to play with each other.

Think my defence would be

Artell Heinning and Mcstay with Duffy and Wilson as the wing backs.

I think Jimbo needs a couple of reserve games first to gete back up to speed.

Duffy will miss 3 games for a start off

[P/T Indie]

Just watching the highlights this morning how easily did their winger go past Moss before putting the goal in which lead to the goal (think it was the 1st). Evertime I see Moss play the wingers run round him as if he is not there and no was is he a wing back.

Strange how the defence seems to have gone to pieces since heining came in. Is it taking the CB's a while to gel and work out how to play with each other.

Think my defence would be

Artell Heinning and Mcstay with Duffy and Wilson as the wing backs.

I think Jimbo needs a couple of reserve games first to gete back up to speed.

Duffy will miss 3 games for a start off

Good point wainwright as wing back then in his place.

[outsider]

Angry Sammy McIlroy slammed his Morecambe side for "making Burton Albion look like Barcelona" after a defensive horror show allowed the Brewers to cruise to a 5-2 win - their first in the Football League.

Greg Pearson scored twice for the Brewers and was joined by Russell Penn, Shaun Harrad and John McGrath on the scoresheet. Ian Crainey and Phil Jevons responded for the Shrimps.

McIlroy said: "I'm not shocked but I'm totally embarrassed. Their goals were so easy, I just couldn't come to terms with it and we've got to sort that out as soon as possible.

"I'll take responsibility because I'm the manager but the players have got to look at themselves because that was just totally unacceptable and it can't continue.

"It's no good being good going forward if you're going to concede five. I told them before the game to watch the first 20 minutes because there'd be an atmosphere here, for Burton's first home game in the Football League - and we were one down in three minutes.

"For me, that's players not caring enough and I've told them that in no uncertain terms."

[Keith]

What if he hit the bar, the ball rebounded back, hit the goalie's bonce and into the net.
Off target still?

That would be an own goal following a shot off target

[Crooky MFC]

It was good to see Twissy shooting again though, I almost forgot what a shot he had on him! More of the same Twissy please.

[Plain Peter]

It was good to see Twissy shooting again though, I almost forgot what a shot he had on him! More of the same Twissy please.

Yeah, but get it right.
Two off-target bullets simply ain't good enough .

[George Dawes]

It was good to see Twissy shooting again though, I almost forgot what a shot he had on him! More of the same Twissy please.

Yeah, but get it right.
Two off-target bullets simply ain't good enough .

yeah not at top level, but L2 all the way!

[marky]

Angry Sammy McIlroy slammed his Morecambe side for "making Burton Albion look like Barcelona" after a defensive horror show allowed the Brewers to cruise to a 5-2 win - their first in the Football League.

McIlroy said: "I'm not shocked but I'm totally embarrassed. Their goals were so easy, I just couldn't come to terms with it and we've got to sort that out as soon as possible.

Sammy isn't shocked? So he expected it but is embarrassed anyway? What an odd thing to say!

"For me, that's players not caring enough and I've told them that in no uncertain terms."

If they don't care enough then we have serious problems so I'm hoping Sammy's interpretation isn't true

[George Dawes]

Angry Sammy McIlroy slammed his Morecambe side for "making Burton Albion look like Barcelona" after a defensive horror show allowed the Brewers to cruise to a 5-2 win - their first in the Football League.

McIlroy said: "I'm not shocked but I'm totally embarrassed. Their goals were so easy, I just couldn't come to terms with it and we've got to sort that out as soon as possible.

Sammy isn't shocked? So he expected it but is embarrassed anyway? What an odd thing to say!

"For me, that's players not caring enough and I've told them that in no uncertain terms."

If they don't care enough then we have serious problems so I'm hoping Sammy's interpretation isn't true

he does make some strange decisions

[Christies Child]

Just watched the game on BBCiPlayer. Have to say that our first goal was the best of the lot in terms of team play.

Now get the defence sorted and we will move forward no doubt about that.

For the first time in ? I actually feel that we are playing football up front that will deliver its quota of goals.

[George Dawes]

Just watched the game on BBCiPlayer. Have to say that our first goal was the best of the lot in terms of team play.

Now get the defence sorted and we will move forward no doubt about that.

For the first time in ? I actually feel that we are playing football up front that will deliver its quota of goals.

totaly agree, but SM as to be ruthless and axe people at the back, id axe Moss in order to get a positive reaction that he isnt first choice and fans favorite darts player oh sorry i mean Adams, who i would have said a long time ago either loose 2-stone you Potts pie eating pig or go and play for the Chiefton in the sunday league with Denby

[George Dawes]

oh and am being nice, i play for the Chiefton! and i would say we have two or three fitter lads playing than Adams

[shrimpnsave]

either loose 2-stone you Potts pie eating pig or go and play for the Chiefton in the sunday league with Denby

say it to his face DawZi

[Posh]

Despite a dreadful result I don't think its time to get all suicidal. By all accounts we played well against Hereford and deserved to win yet now everyone is slashing their wrists. Sammy has proved that he's capable of turning things around and will get us results. However perhaps not to the levels of our expectations.

To my mind, like early last season, the main problem was Sammy. Yes Stanners had his worst game ever for me in a Morecambe shirt - chronic passing even when under no pressure; Danny Adams was dreadful; and a few others just weren't up for it. Yet the problem yesterday was utterly ridiculous tactics, partly caused by gaps in the summer's transfer activities.

Yesterday we started with a formation of 3-5-2. Loz Wilson and Mossy were pushed so far up that they were more wingers than wing-backs. Both of them got in and around the box several times in the first half. So far up were they that neither really could be expected to cover should Burton break quickly.

That left Haining-Bentley-Adams to face quick breaks as no central midfielder was good enough to cover. All three haven't played together before. Danny is far too slow to be exposed to their pace particularly with so little cover; Bents was only just back; and Will is new. As a result the three of them looked all at sea for most of the game. When Danny got caught out, again, Bents would run over to cover leaving Hainers totally exposed. Stanners seemed to be tasked with some form of defensive midfield role but just couldn't do it and was often out of position. Basically there was a huge gap between a slow, threadbare defence who hadn't played together ever and a very attack-minded midfield. It was disastrous tactics.

Sammy's answer to this was to expose the defence even further by taking off Mossy and putting on Duffy. In the circumstances it was a farcical decision. And for two reasons.

Firstly, as Shrews fans said, Mossy is an out-and-out right back and a good one at that. Shoving him up into a wingers positiondid not play to his skills. What works for young Wilson won't work for Moss whatever the manager might wish. If this was his plan for the season then he should have kept Adam Yates who was more suited to the role, although not necessarily the better player.

Secondly, while Duffy has played really well in pre-season its been in a more central position where he can go right or left and play killer passes. Yet on the wing he seems incapable of beating his man.

At half-time, in my view, he should have taken Danny off, gone to a back four with Wilson and Moss as right backs, then someone in midfield.

It is going to be interesting to see how quickly Sammy learns from this but I think that he needs to take a lot of criticism rather than just lump it on the players. He'll get it right but the pressure is on this season to get it right quickly.

[Posh]

Just watched the game on BBCiPlayer. Have to say that our first goal was the best of the lot in terms of team play.

Now get the defence sorted and we will move forward no doubt about that.

For the first time in ? I actually feel that we are playing football up front that will deliver its quota of goals.

totaly agree, but SM as to be ruthless and axe people at the back, id axe Moss in order to get a positive reaction that he isnt first choice and fans favorite darts player oh sorry i mean Adams, who i would have said a long time ago either loose 2-stone you Potts pie eating pig or go and play for the Chiefton in the sunday league with Denby

Dawzi, personally, I think your comments are an utter disgrace and totally disgusting for any supposed Morecambe supporter. Danny Adams is a very talented player who got us promoted to the Football League with a great performance at Wembley, one of many, many ones in his time here. He had a shocker on Saturday but your comments are utterly uncalled for. Having read a few of your posts I'd say you're not fit to clean his boots.

[shrimpnsave]

Dawzi, personally, I think your comments are an utter disgrace and totally disgusting for any supposed Morecambe supporter. Danny Adams is a very talented player who got us promoted to the Football League with a great performance at Wembley, one of many, many ones in his time here. He had a shocker on Saturday but your comments are utterly uncalled for. Having read a few of your posts I'd say you're not fit to clean his boots.

he could lick his boots and have a potts pie as well

[skyecat]

I`m only just checking up on the board now - been busy today (thought I`d better get some chores done after yesterday`s fiasco!).
When we went one down, fair enough, it happens, then 2 down - still nothing to get anxious about etc... we got a goal back - a well played, good teamwork kind of goal.
The forwards are looking to be gelling together well - time will tell and hopefully early indications are that they will be a force to be reckoned with this season - Twissy, Jevons and Craney.
I know I have said that I thought Twissy had a bad game at PNE, but I saw more of what other supporters of his see in him yesterday. His shots, whilst hitting the woodwork were only inches off and had such power that I think it will have given him more confidence and with Jevons and Craney already knowing how each other likes to play, learning how Twissy likes to play and vice versa - we could be in for some of the goal tallies that we have wanting for a few seasons now.
the defense on the other hand though... Bentley`s first game back having not trained (I believe) with the rest of the team and also not made any of the friendlies etc, this was his first time to play with Haining who, in my mind, is very similar in style as well as build and will need to learn a lot from each other.
The penalty was shocking from Adams and I would have thought he would have known better, but I`m hoping that PNE and Burton`s games will loom large whenever the defense see a possible break and go in for challenges in future games.
My comment on the day was better to get this kind of `mare out of the way early in the season.

[shrimpnsave]

Bentley`s first game back having not trained (I believe) with the rest of the team and also not made any of the friendlies etc, this was his first time to play with Haining who, in my mind, is very similar in style as well as build and will need to learn a lot from each other.

couldnt agree more,jimbos first game and perhaps just a little conflict between the two of them

[RedRedWine1]

Don't fall for the trap, Danny was not at the races on Saturday (like most of the team) but he will come good. I seem to say this at the start of ever season; form is temporary, class is permanent.

[nobbyshrimp]

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