Stop[ The BNP Public Meeting Lancaster Town Hall 14th July

[durhamshrimp]

And whats wrong with hanging paedophiles ??

Should we hang them in public?

[outsider]

between the balls on the lotto, that would get viewing figures up

[George Dawes]

Paedophiles are the scum of the earth, hang them !!! and anyone that disagrees are as bad as them.

Oh dear. You probably agreed with George Bush when he suggested that 'if you aren't with us, you're a terrorist'?

One victim of sexual abuse that I clearly remember working with (I'm a Registered Mental Nurse) was a young teenager. She had disclosed abuse and her father ended up in prison. Abuse has a strange knock on effect that unless you have experience of it, can appear to defy logic. In this instance, the mother denied it had ever happened. She couldn't face the fact that her husband had had sex with her daughter. The impact upon her own sexuality, the impact of someone she loved doing 'that' was beyond her ability to accept. So she denied it entirely and accused her 'evil bitch' of a daughter of 'making it up'. Her siblings obviously agreed with their mother, why wouldn't they? Their mother & father both denied it, it couldn't be true. They lost their father to prison and with no main 'bread winner', they lost the house and ended up in a council house.

This poor kid has not only faced being raped, she's now ostracised within her own family. While she was on the psychiatric unit she actually said that she wished she'd never disclosed the abuse... it was easier to be raped than go through what she was going through afterwards. I'm not sure it helped or not when her sister later disclosed that she'd been raped too.

Now would this girl have been more or less likely to disclose abuse if she knew her father was going to die? I'm pretty sure that she would have been even more likely to suffer in silence. The vast majority of abusers are known to the family. In a massive amount of cases the relationship between the abusers and the victim of the abuse is otherwise positive... "this is our secret, if you tell anyone daddy will die"... will that keep the secrets for longer?

If you've had young people or adults disclose sexual abuse to you, you will have realised that this isn't a subject that has easy answers. The fact that the fascist party think that there are easy, 'populist' answers suggest that they haven't got the slightest clue what the real questions are.

so your idea is just send them to prison for a couple of years, brilliant deterrent..

[Keith]

Paedophiles are the scum of the earth, hang them !!! and anyone that disagrees are as bad as them.

Oh dear. You probably agreed with George Bush when he suggested that 'if you aren't with us, you're a terrorist'?

One victim of sexual abuse that I clearly remember working with (I'm a Registered Mental Nurse) was a young teenager. She had disclosed abuse and her father ended up in prison. Abuse has a strange knock on effect that unless you have experience of it, can appear to defy logic. In this instance, the mother denied it had ever happened. She couldn't face the fact that her husband had had sex with her daughter. The impact upon her own sexuality, the impact of someone she loved doing 'that' was beyond her ability to accept. So she denied it entirely and accused her 'evil bitch' of a daughter of 'making it up'. Her siblings obviously agreed with their mother, why wouldn't they? Their mother & father both denied it, it couldn't be true. They lost their father to prison and with no main 'bread winner', they lost the house and ended up in a council house.

This poor kid has not only faced being raped, she's now ostracised within her own family. While she was on the psychiatric unit she actually said that she wished she'd never disclosed the abuse... it was easier to be raped than go through what she was going through afterwards. I'm not sure it helped or not when her sister later disclosed that she'd been raped too.

Now would this girl have been more or less likely to disclose abuse if she knew her father was going to die? I'm pretty sure that she would have been even more likely to suffer in silence. The vast majority of abusers are known to the family. In a massive amount of cases the relationship between the abusers and the victim of the abuse is otherwise positive... "this is our secret, if you tell anyone daddy will die"... will that keep the secrets for longer?

If you've had young people or adults disclose sexual abuse to you, you will have realised that this isn't a subject that has easy answers. The fact that the fascist party think that there are easy, 'populist' answers suggest that they haven't got the slightest clue what the real questions are.

so your idea is just send them to prison for a couple of years, brilliant deterrent..

...and I said that where?

[Abbo]

Outsider and Durhamshrimp you should be ashamed of yourselfs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[George Dawes]

...and I said that where?

OK then you not for hanging them, and i don't think sending them to prison for 2yrs after raping a child is right.



shall we agree to castrate them? like none liberal people would have done ?

[Abbo]

Go easy there DawZi it appears we have some people that may not agree with our opinions, dont be upsetting them now

[Keith]

...and I said that where?

OK then you not for hanging them, and i don't think sending them to prison for 2yrs after raping a child is right.

shall we agree to castrate them? like none liberal people would have done ?

We're getting closer I actually don't have any moral objection to chemical castration and I certainly believe it should be available. In certain situations it would be a much more useful option than prison.

[Posh]

Paedophiles are the scum of the earth, hang them !!! and anyone that disagrees are as bad as them.

Yes, hang them all.
Yes, hang everyone who disagrees with hanging them.
And then hang everyone who disagrees with hanging people who disagree with hanging them.
And then when we're done we'll hang all the murderers.
And then we'll hang children and the mentally ill who commit the acts above.
If they're innocent, well the dead don't cry do they?

Oh, and we'll call ourselves the Taleban.

[marky]

Paedophiles are the scum of the earth, hang them !!! and anyone that disagrees are as bad as them.

Wow. I've never been told I'm as bad as a paedophile before! Punishing people through legal killing is no better than the original act of crime. By the way, anyone who resorts to abusing other people to try and make a point instantly loses the argument. I seem to recall you were rather forceful in your condemnation of a recently banned poster. You've proved yourself to be no better.

Go easy there DawZi it appears we have some people that may not agree with our opinions, dont be upsetting them now

Funnily enough, your opinion is just what the word opinion suggests. An opinion. A belief that can be argued against. I'm starting to get the impression your beliefs come from the "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is scum" department. Perfect Nazi credentials

To get back on topic, I'm glad Keith posted the National Socialist agenda from 1920 because people either choose to forget or just don't know that the Nazis were more than just a war mongering and mass murdering party. If you study their domestic programme in the 30s, it was extremely protectionist and highly nationalised in style. The Nazis were economically left-wing. People now remember them for the Holocaust, WWII and the Gestapo (and all the far-right connotations). But there is a remarkable comparison between the stated policies of the National Socialist German Workers Party and the BNP. One that I wish more were aware of.

[durhamshrimp]

Outsider and Durhamshrimp you should be ashamed of yourselfs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ashamed of what? You could go to Iran mate, I think you'd fit in better there.

[George Dawes]

good topic though, best one ive seen on here so far

[Keith]

good topic though, best one ive seen on here so far

but one that will not go much further if people resort to abusing other posters (it wasn't DawZi by the way!) Please keep it above personal abuse.

[North Stand Shrimp]

And whats wrong with hanging paedophiles ??

What if someone was found guilty but was actually innocent?
Miscarriages of justice happen all the time.

[wijit]

in fairness after reading the above, the only thing in common is there both and obviously right-wing, there's still no argument or "PROOF" that the BNP would go to the extreme in this day and age like the Nazi party by ethnic cleansing and invade Europe

Well, yes there is. they want to remove all non-whites from this country, regardless of where they were born. that is a form of ethnic cleansing.
Abbo, I think it was you who aksked whats wrong with hanging paedophiles, what happens when you get the wrong person? remember, at the time we have proved many people guilty only for technology and new evidence to prove we were wrong.

[Aspers]

It has to be proved 100%, not beyond reasonable Doubt but 100%.

Then put the paedo's to sleep, we don't need or want them.
We don't need to hang them or punish them just kill them quickly and quietly.

[outsider]

It has to be proved 100%, not beyond reasonable Doubt but 100%.

Then put the paedo's to sleep, we don't need or want them.
We don't need to hang them or punish them just kill them quickly and quietly.

i agree with most of that apart from the "quickly and quietly", if " It has been proved 100%, not beyond reasonable Doubt but 100%." It should be slowly and very very painfully IMO as a Dad

[Trevor]

It has to be proved 100%, not beyond reasonable Doubt but 100%.
if " It has been proved 100%, not beyond reasonable Doubt but 100%."

And how does that work, then? Just talk us through it.

[Abbo]

Well what can i say, i wonder if any of the do-gooders who disagree with my views would change there minds if something ever happened to there kids. Dont think they would have the same view then !!!!

[marky]

I'm sorry, Abbo, but someone could rape me and I still wouldn't want them to be killed by the state. Besides, it's not for the victim to choose what happens to the perpetrator. They are never the best judge of suitable punishment. Also, why is it that someone with socially liberal views (in the modern sense) are always labelled as 'do gooders' by those of a right-wing persuasion?

By the way, I don't want to take this discussion too off topic, but I'd be interested the hear your views of Euthanasia. I know a few people who support the death penalty but are against ending a life to prevent an innocent person suffering. The two don't really add up...

[George Dawes]

why is it that someone with socially liberal views (in the modern sense) are always labelled as 'do gooders' by those of a right-wing persuasion?

and why is it if somebody who as a opinion untowards the immigration problem in the UK or finds Bernard Manning jokes funny and supports England is made to feel ashamed to wear England colours with pride whether it be football rugby or cricket


extremist left-wingers will have people think that the above are just morons & racist

[marky]

and why is it if somebody who as a opinion untowards the immigration problem in the UK or finds Bernard Manning jokes funny and supports England is made to feel ashamed to wear England colours with pride whether it be football rugby or cricket

1) I would suggest most people have an opinion on immigration one way or another.
2) Bernard Manning jokes belong in a different era, along with the sentiment.
3) I support our national cricket team and I don't fell ashamed about that. It's how people sometimes support the national teams that can leave a lot to be desired...

extremist left-wingers will have people think that the above are just morons & racist

Translation?

[Abbo]

DawZi,
your wasting your time mate.

[marky]

extremist left-wingers will have people think that the above are just morons & racist

I don't think I'd agree with that. If you look at the history of the extreme left in terms of actual political power, they've hardly been bastions of freedom and tolerance! The USSR was as abhorrent as the Third Reich in Germany. North Korea isn't exactly welcoming of freedoms for citizens. China has a one party state and an iron grip on political activity, even now with their amalgamation of capitalism and communism.

It's people who class themselves as being either side of centre who often fall into the 'morons and racist' trap. However, I don't think there can really be any argument against the claim the BNP are a racist party. Any party that uses skin colour as a prerequisite of membership cannot be described as anything else.

[Trevor]

Abbo - Wot? Trying to browbeat others into agreeing with him by implying anyone who diasgrees is a dogooder?

If hes got a point let him argue it. If he can't then maybe his points not sound enough.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how you make sure someone's 100% guilty so you can kill them.