Stop[ The BNP Public Meeting Lancaster Town Hall 14th July

[Suzi Quatro]

There will be a public meeting organised by Unite Against Fascism in regard to stopping the BNP pursuing thier vial beliefs onto the good people of the District. There will be representation by all the main political parties. The meeting commences at 7.00 p.m in Lancaster Town Hall on the 14th July.

In attendance will be

Clive Grunshaw Prospective Labour Party Candidate
Eric Ollerenshaw Prospective Conservative Candidate
Chris Coates Green Councillor
The Lib Dems have been invited to send a speaker.

This event should be an opportunity for us all to Unite against the BNP effectively.

[Keith]

Hope it is well attended and the BNP lose any footholds they may have.

Mind you, there isn't much to talk about. All that is needed is for the mainstream parties to get their noses out of troughs and back in to making a difference to people's real lives. The extremists and racists will always turn out and vote, what is needed is for decent folk to turn out and vote as well. Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative, it doesn't matter, just use your vote rather than abdicate and let the fascists in.

All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.”

[sgt major]

There will be a public meeting organised by Unite Against Fascism in regard to stopping the BNP pursuing thier vial beliefs onto the good people of the District. There will be representation by all the main political parties. The meeting commences at 7.00 p.m in Lancaster Town Hall on the 14th July.

In attendance will be

Clive Grunshaw Prospective Labour Party Candidate
Eric Ollerenshaw Prospective Conservative Candidate
Chris Coates Green Councillor
The Lib Dems have been invited to send a speaker.

This event should be an opportunity for us all to Unite against the BNP effectively.

Sorry - cant make that one - I will be at Christie Park watching Morecambe v Burnley (apparently a BNP stronghold)

[P/T Indie]

The thing is whatever you think about them they have a right to be elected and to discuss/debate issues. Otherwise people will be having meetings against every party there is and Gordon Brown is so unpopular at the moment there would be a meeting every day against the Labour Party, Gnasher would be having meetings every week againt the MBI's etc

The best think to get rid of them which noone seems able to grasp is to ignore them and get their own parties in order so that people have no need to vote for them. While the main parties don't address the issues the BNP will get more popular.

Every time you talk about them and protest against them you are giving them publicity.

[mazatec]

theres quite a few of us . more than you ,

who totally suport the only british party

[Keith]

theres quite a few of us . more than you ,

who totally suport the only british party

I would hope that's not true. If history has taught us nothing else, it is that a minority of fascists who blame minority groups for the failing economy, will bring nothing but hatred and war. Nick Griffin recently claimed that the English were a minority in their own country, but conveniently ignores the fact that at the last census 92.1% of the population classed themselves as "white". 1.8% of people were "Indian or British Indian", which was the next largest ethnic group.

Simply because someone lies often enough, it doesn't actually make it true.
Simply because someone peddles hatred while wearing a suit, doesn't make it anything less than hatred.
The BNP is what happened to the National Front once they got older and attempted to become 'acceptable'. They're not acceptable.

[marky]

If you look at their policies, they are extreme at either end of the traditional political spectrum. Economically they are extremely left-wing whilst socially they are extremely right-wing. I seem to recall a German politcal party with those credentials in the late 20s, 30s and early-mid 40s... Extreme parties often do 'well' in times of social or economic strife. Come the next boom they will be back where they belong. Besides, whilst they may have gained minimal representation of late, the number of votes cast for them at the recent European elections actually decreased. The only reason they got any success was the total demise of the Labour vote.

In my ward, the local BNP candidate lives round the corner. He's the most obnoxious, dislikable, ignorant man I've ever had the misfortune to have a conversation with. He's typical of many BNP activists but not of BNP voters per se. One only needs to take a quick look through their website to see what an utter disaster a BNP-led administration would be for the country. I doubt many BNP voters actually know 95% of BNP policies.

[durhamshrimp]

Thankfully Nazis are still in the vast minority in this country. The thing with the BNP is that they have somehow managed to convince people that they're not as facist and racist as they actually are. If you dig a little deeper their manifesto makes disgusting reading.

[George Dawes]

It's a joke of a party but in a way its sad really, that Britain's answer to the immigration problem is BNP. but we could use someone with balls and brains in politics, right now it doesnt seem like we have anyone that fits that description.... all i want his a fair immigration system like Australia & Canada, so if you've no british passport then no benefits like normal Country's ?




but please read this, instead of condemning the BNP just because of what the media brainwash you into thinking that there Nazi's wanting to ethnic cleanse and set up death camps like double standard do-gooders will have you know, who are just hell bent on political correctness, trying to be self-righteous, when in reality there patronizing towards moniority groups and itself racist



BNP POLICY




EUROPE - back to British independence!

We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.

LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!

The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.

ECONOMY - British workers first!

Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes

EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!

We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.

AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!

We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain’s farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation’s need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain’s once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.

HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!

We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.

TRANSPORT - time to invest!

Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.

ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future!

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale.

FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!

We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.

PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!

The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.

NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!

Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.

DEFENCE - no more cuts!

Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first!

Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!

The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level.

Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.


IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.







well thet dont seem like Nazis to me..

[Trevor]

Aaah bless im.



And haven't you stopped for a miniute to ask why immigration is right at the bottom of this list?

Could it possibly be because if they set out a list of policies saying what they really believe in and what there real prioritys are - with immigration and repatriation where it should be if they were being honest - right at the top - they couldn't hoodwink gullible people into voting for them?

The rest of it is just pandering to what will get easy headlines and cathc votes.

One thing they're not (well there leaders any way) is stupid.

Try attending one of their meetings - I have when I was a student - when they get behind closed doors ytou see what they're really about.

[George Dawes]

I've never voted for em, nor do i support them, but i will support Democracy

And haven't you stopped for a miniute to ask why immigration is right at the bottom of this list?

yes.

[Trevor]

Fair enough - it was just this

"but please read this, instead of condemning the BNP just because of what the media brainwash you into thinking"

that got my back up. I could of said 'instead of being sucked into what tripe they put out as their 'official' outward face' use your nouse and realise what there really about'.

As I said, there not stupid.

[bigreddog]

I've always found the BNP debate a really difficult one. I've seen them at work, and I know from personal experience what a bunch of right wing racists they are. Their defence seems to be that by not allowing them to peddle hatred that is non democratic and therefore facist n itself. Cutting the irony with a knife would be easy if they understood what it was.

I prefer the idea of taking them on, head on, on the issues. And I also see the logic that they are taking advantage of political vacuums, as these types of parties always have. For anyone that thinks if we ignore them long enough they'll go away, I'll refer you to exactly the same being said in Germany before Christalnacht.

The best analysis I've seen for quite some time was in the telegraph of all papers. It's well worth a read, insightful, funny and thought provoking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... okers.html

[Keith]

but please read this, instead of condemning the BNP just because of what the media brainwash you into thinking that there Nazi's wanting to ethnic cleanse and set up death camps like double standard do-gooders will have you know, who are just hell bent on political correctness, trying to be self-righteous, when in reality there patronizing towards moniority groups and itself racist



BNP POLICY




EUROPE - back to British independence!

We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.
[Not aware that the mainstream parties disagree, but anyway, see points 2 & 3]

LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!

The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.
[Good attention grabbing stuff, see point 18.]

ECONOMY - British workers first!

Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes
[See points 3, 11, 13, 16,]

EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!

We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.
[See points 21 & 23]

AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!

We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain’s farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation’s need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain’s once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.
[Loosely, see 3,7.16.21]

HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!

We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.

TRANSPORT - time to invest!

Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.
[Wouldn't have been possible for them to have an opinion, but if they did, I'm sure it would have been quite similar.]

ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future!

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale.
[Wouldn't have been possible for them to have an opinion but if they did, I'm sure it would have been quite similar.]

FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!

We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.
[I won't continue, I'm sure you get my drift...]

PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!

The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.

NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!

Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.

DEFENCE - no more cuts!

Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first!

Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!

The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level.

Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.


IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

well thet dont seem like Nazis to me..

The Twenty-Five Point Program of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, Feb. 24, 1920

* 1. We demand the uniting together of all Germans, on the basis of the people's right of self- determination, in a greater Germany.

* 2. We demand the annulling of the Peace treaties drawn up in Versailles and St. Germain.

* 3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to provide food for our nations and settlement areas for our population surplus.

* 4. Only a fellow German can have right of citizenship. . . . no Jew can be considered to be a fellow German.

* 7. We demand that the first priority of the state should be to ensure that its citizens have a job and a decent life. If it should prove impossible to feed the whole population of the state, foreign nationals (with no right of citizenship) should be repatriated.

* 8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non- Germans who have entered the Reich since 2nd August 1914 be forced to leave immediately.

* 11. (We demand) abolition of income for unemployed people or for those making no effort.

* 13. We demand the nationalization of all publicly owned companies (Trusts)

* 16. We demand the establishment and maintenance of a healthy middle class. The large department stores should be immediately place under the control of the local authority and should be rented out to small businesses at low prices.

* 18. We demand an all-out battle against those who damage the common interest by their actions- --criminals against the nation, profiteers, racketeers etc. should be punished by death, without regard for religion or race.

* 21. The state must ensure the general good health of its citizens, by providing for mothers and children, by banning child labor, by ensuring the development of physical fitness, by making it a legal obligation to participate in sport or gymnastics and by providing all possible support for associations involved in instructing the youth in physical fitness.

* 23 We demand a legal battle against open political slander and its publication in the press. In order to make possible the establishment of a German press, we demand that:
a) Newspaper editors and employees whose work appears in German must have German citizenship rights.
b) Non German newspapers must have the express permission of the state before they can appear in Germany. They must not be printed in German.
c) Newspapers which are deemed to be against the common good should be banned. We demand a legal battle against any art and literature which exerts a harmful influence on public life and we demand that all institutions which contravene the afore- mentioned standards be closed down.

* 24. We demand the freedom of religion in the Reich so long as they[sic] do not endanger the position of the state or adversely affect the moral standards of the German race. As such the Party represents a positively Christian position without binding itself to one particular faith. The Party opposes the materialistic Jewish spirit within and beyond us and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our people can only be achieved an the basis of:
Common Good before Personal Gain

* 25. In order to achieve all of the aforegoing we demand the setting up of a strong central administration for the Reich.

The leaders of the party promise to commit themselves fully to the achievement of the above aims, and to sacrifice their lives if need be.

Munich, 24th February 1920 For the Party Committee: Anton Drexler

well that do seem like Nazis to me

Now does it seem like Nazis to you?

[George Dawes]

in fairness after reading the above, the only thing in common is there both and obviously right-wing, there's still no argument or "PROOF" that the BNP would go to the extreme in this day and age like the Nazi party by ethnic cleansing and invade Europe

[Keith]

in fairness after reading the above, the only thing in common is there both and obviously right-wing, there's still no argument or "PROOF" that the BNP would go to the extreme in this day and age like the Nazi party by ethnic cleansing and invade Europe

The point is, they didn't begin by saying 'let's murder millions of Jews and start a world war', they had some policies, that with a little window dressing, would sound quite reasonable. An end to child labour is something that most liberal-leftie-"do-gooders" like myself would sign up to.

But surely you can see a close resemblance between the two manifestos? To say they 'don't sound like Nazis', then read what the Nazis began with, and they sound remarkably similar.

Lastly of course, it is always the prerogative of a party that can't actually be elected, to have a manifesto that doesn't need to be sensible. But if you ask yourself 'how will they pay for this', you'll realise that the only thing they really believe in is kicking out blacks and hanging paedophiles becuase they could never afford the rest of their promises.

The irony of the BNP is that despite their extreme right wing views, they are appealing to people who should be traditionally Labour supporters. It is the failure of Labour that is encouraging the rise of the fascists. I hope people start to recognise how repugnant the BNP are in the policies they could deliver and the lies they are telling in an attempt to do so.

[Number 1]

The thing is whatever you think about them they have a right to be elected and to discuss/debate issues. Otherwise people will be having meetings against every party there is and Gordon Brown is so unpopular at the moment there would be a meeting every day against the Labour Party, Gnasher would be having meetings every week againt the MBI's etc

The best think to get rid of them which noone seems able to grasp is to ignore them and get their own parties in order so that people have no need to vote for them. While the main parties don't address the issues the BNP will get more popular.

Every time you talk about them and protest against them you are giving them publicity.

I agree. Some parties have even more extreme views than the BNP, so why not have a meeting aimed against those too? Or is it because they see the BNP as a real threat and are therefore trying to stifle peoples democratic right to vote for who they like?

[Trevor]

Wouldve thought that was obvious, its because they are the most high profile of the rightwing groups. If any of the others you refer to started getting MEPs and councillors they'd have protests like this as well. While they are not getting any support for their extremist views they aren't worth protesting about. It's a democratic right to protest about what people might see as dangerous upsurges of support for what people, who have the freedom to do it, think is a nasty, divisive, racist group.

[George Dawes]

well there never going to get in so don't worry, i just hope they get all the attention possible just so these cowardly treasonous politicians we have will have to take notice and take action against immigration



and adopt a fair system like Australia & Canada etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc , our country is a absolute joke

[Keith]

I agree. Some parties have even more extreme views than the BNP, so why not have a meeting aimed against those too? Or is it because they see the BNP as a real threat and are therefore trying to stifle peoples democratic right to vote for who they like?

I see apathy as a real threat, moderates not voting allowing extreme parties in.

I see a failure of the mainstream parties as a real threat. Labour & Tories are so similar that they barely offer a difference between them. Bliar had a massive mandate to change the UK and screwed it up. Brown is more and more like a dead man walking. If the Tories say as little as possible, they will win the next election but the fringe parties will benefit and in doing so, gain an element of legitimacy.

I certainly wouldn't support banning the BNP, I would hope that a meeting as mentioned by the original poster would be a vehicle of unity, where the mainstream have a united and coordinated attack upon the lies that the BNP are spreading. They need to make sure that the facts are shouted louder than the lies but they also need to re-engage with the people and to understand why the voters of the UK are feeling drawn to a racist party in the first place.

[Abbo]

And whats wrong with hanging paedophiles ??

[George Dawes]

And whats wrong with hanging paedophiles ??

well apparently these extremist left-wing do-gooders reckon we can help them, and make them better so they can sneak them back into our community undetected near our children!!

[Abbo]

Paedophiles are the scum of the earth, hang them !!! and anyone that disagrees are as bad as them.

[P/T Indie]

I prefer the idea of taking them on, head on, on the issues. And I also see the logic that they are taking advantage of political vacuums, as these types of parties always have. For anyone that thinks if we ignore them long enough they'll go away, I'll refer you to exactly the same being said in Germany before Christalnacht.


Exactly but the main parties wont as they don't have any answers so instead they just run around telling people not to vote for them and trying to kick up a fuss. If the main parties had the answer and tackled them head on then they would go away.

People think the main parties don't listen anymore and the BNP have tapped into this and played on it to their advantage.

[Keith]

Paedophiles are the scum of the earth, hang them !!! and anyone that disagrees are as bad as them.

Oh dear. You probably agreed with George Bush when he suggested that 'if you aren't with us, you're a terrorist'?

One victim of sexual abuse that I clearly remember working with (I'm a Registered Mental Nurse) was a young teenager. She had disclosed abuse and her father ended up in prison. Abuse has a strange knock on effect that unless you have experience of it, can appear to defy logic. In this instance, the mother denied it had ever happened. She couldn't face the fact that her husband had had sex with her daughter. The impact upon her own sexuality, the impact of someone she loved doing 'that' was beyond her ability to accept. So she denied it entirely and accused her 'evil bitch' of a daughter of 'making it up'. Her siblings obviously agreed with their mother, why wouldn't they? Their mother & father both denied it, it couldn't be true. They lost their father to prison and with no main 'bread winner', they lost the house and ended up in a council house.

This poor kid has not only faced being raped, she's now ostracised within her own family. While she was on the psychiatric unit she actually said that she wished she'd never disclosed the abuse... it was easier to be raped than go through what she was going through afterwards. I'm not sure it helped or not when her sister later disclosed that she'd been raped too.

Now would this girl have been more or less likely to disclose abuse if she knew her father was going to die? I'm pretty sure that she would have been even more likely to suffer in silence. The vast majority of abusers are known to the family. In a massive amount of cases the relationship between the abusers and the victim of the abuse is otherwise positive... "this is our secret, if you tell anyone daddy will die"... will that keep the secrets for longer?

If you've had young people or adults disclose sexual abuse to you, you will have realised that this isn't a subject that has easy answers. The fact that the fascist party think that there are easy, 'populist' answers suggest that they haven't got the slightest clue what the real questions are.