O/T Terrorist or a Child

[redrobo]

Can someone explain how does a bomb distinguish between a Terrorist and a Child......

Sorry if this post upsets or annoys fellow SVers....but in my eyes those responsible for such murderous acts on both sides are war criminals .....

[Keith]

We rightly condemn the heinous, barbaric actions of terrorist on 7th October, yet our 'leaders', of both main parties, support the Israeli government killing ten Palestinian civilians (and climbing), for every one murdered Israeli civilian, as an 'acceptable' form of "defence".

The Israeli government has, over a number of years, manipulated a situation conflating any criticism of their apartheid and murder is 'antisemitic'.

Starmer, a supposed human rights lawyer, supported the Israeli government's war crimes. I'm sure that being married to a Jew had nothing to do with his public support for the Israeli 'collective punishment', by blockading food & medicine and turning off power & water. That Israel has "the right to defending herself", by the bombing civilians, as well as suppressing any support for Palestinians within the Labour Party.

I am far from being in any way a supporter of Margaret Thatcher, but I will always admire that she began the secret talks with Sinn Fein, despite her own personal losses, not only Brighton but also Airey Neave, who was assassinated at the House of Commons. Thatcher, Major & Blair all understood that only by talking with the political wing of terrorist organisation could peace, ever occur.

Murdering Palestinian children is as heinous as murdering Israeli children.

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Well, it was all nice and quiet [on the 'surface" at least] until the events of 7 October.

The terrorists responsible choose to hide within Palestinian areas, making these innocent Palestinians 'human shields'.

A horrible situation....all innocent lives matter.

[Keith]

Well, it was all nice and quiet [on the 'surface" at least] until the events of 7 October.

Hmm, or less reporting when it is Israeli government launching the attacks? A dozen or so Palestinians killed and hundred+ injured, with 3,000+ refugees forced out after an attack on Jenin in July. Physicians for Human Rights Israel (PHRI) reported that three hospitals were bombed. Also PHRI reported that the Israeli military stopped ambulances from evacuating wounded civilians, which is a war crime.

The terrorists responsible choose to hide within Palestinian areas, making these innocent Palestinians 'human shields'.

Absolutely. But we know that Hamas terrorists are sub-human scum. But a legitimate government must be above terrorists, not join them.

A horrible situation....all innocent lives matter.

Absolutely

[Wild Bill]

World leaders should be talking peace and a two state solution. Too many have died and suffered. This cycle of violence won't end until both Palestinians and Israelis have a safe place to exist and their basic needs met

[Keith]

This cycle of violence won't end until both Palestinians and Israelis have a safe place to exist and their basic needs met

Or, as Zionists believe, Palestinians, and Palestine, are wiped out entirely, and all of the land is theirs, as they believe their god intended. Sadly, world leaders appear to support this approach more than peace. No progress on the Oslo Accord in how many years? Yitzhak Rabin was the last Israeli Prime Minister who genuinely wanted a peaceful, two state solution, but he was assassinated by a Jewish fundamentalist, who opposed peace. That was 28 years ago The illegal settler expansion has simply gained speed. Now, the Israeli government are not only killing innocent people, but also destroying the infrastructure, so even if people live, they have nothing to return to. Homes & livelihoods destroyed.

[thedoc]

I was lucky enough to study `Arab-Israeli Conflict' as part of my politics degree at Lancaster Uni. On this course - taught by an Englishwoman with no ties to either side of the struggle - I learnt a totally different view of what has actually happened in Palestine since the 1940s to that I had read about in the UK media over the years. I had never heard of the Irgun Zvail Leumi; Haganah or the Stern Gang, for instance. I didn't know that these terrorist groups strung-up British servicemen in olive groves; blew-up the KIng David Hotel in Jerusalem, killing many more Brits who were administering our Mandate in the territory at the time or that they murdered the UN's first Ambassador there, Count Bernadotte. Right across the Western world, if you say the word `Holocaust' everybody - rightly - knows what it means. But what does Deir Yassin mean to most of us? If you say these two words anywhere in the Arab and much of the Islamic world, people understand their tragic significance. If you don't - look them up. If you doubt what you read, search for an account written by the International Red Cross' Representative in Palestine - Jacques de Reynier - who actually witnessed what happened and wrote an account of it. Then look up Plan Delet: a Zionist recipe from the early 1940s for the sort of ethnic cleansing which is being carried out in Gaza and the West Bank right now as we sit on our arses and watch. If any other state on the planet behaved the way the Israelis have done over the years, we would be at war with them. They unashamedly play the `Holocaust' card - as if the tragedy that befell them justifies taking this out on an innocent - Palestinian - third party. As Keith has noted, they also play the `anti-semitic' card. Yet - ironically - the majority of Israelis are `Ashkenazi' - European. Palestinians are Semitic. I don't support what Hamas did four weeks ago: only a lunatic would. But where is the symmetry between a hundred and odd innocent Israeli dead and almost ten thousand Palestinians blown to pieces and the rest of the population starved and terrorised for at least another generation? How does that help anybody?

[Keith]

The leader of Irgun at the time of the attack on King David Hotel was Menachem Begin, a self-proclaimed Zionist, who later became Prime Minister of Israel. Some of the British soldiers killed in the terrorist attack were literally “scraped off the wall of the building opposite” and many were never identified.

Later, as leader of Israel, Begin ordered the bombing of a nuclear power plant in Iran and the massacres at Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon, where up to 3,500 civilians were murdered.

[Keith]

Anyone with an interest in the Middle East and the interwoven complexities, I highly recommend "The Great War for Civilisation", by Robert Fisk. Fisk was the Times and later, Independent's Middle East correspondent. He lived in Beirut throughout the war in Lebanon. This is a huge book, and each time I read it, I take something different from it. Fisk weaves a tale, of how interconnected the problems are. For example, The Doc says "if you say the word `Holocaust' everybody - rightly - knows what it means". However, many people don't know of the first holocaust, where over one million Armenians were slaughtered, pre and during the First World War. Hitler actually studied the Armenian Holocaust, literally getting ideas as to how they could achieve 'efficient' mass murder. The Ottomans ['Turks'] used methods such as tying a chain of people, wrist to wrist, then forced them in to water. They'd then shoot the end person. As they sank beneath the water, they'd drag the person tied to them under, so they drowned, in turn, pulling the next person under. With one bullet they could kill many people. They also used 'death marches' in to the Syrian Desert. Why do we not hear of this, and why isn't there any reference to it in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in New York, despite remembrance of many genocides? Because Turkey still denies the atrocities ever happened. When the Memorial Museum was being developed, we had the Gulf War. The Turkish government said that if the museum referenced Armenian holocaust, then US and others would not be allowed to fly from Turkish airbases or allow their allies military access to Turkish airspace. Israeli government & American Jews also successfully lobbied for this period to be airbrushed from history. More than 100 year later, it is still impacting upon global politics.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-gr ... 1841150086