Cole Stockton Generally?

[Relapsed_Shrimp]

Did Cole go golfing?

[Gone_Shrimping]

Did Cole go golfing?

Yes , he is on the big photo , in a black cap , sat down and quite near The King.

[Born again Bill]

Did Cole go golfing?

Yes , he is on the big photo , in a black cap , sat down and quite near The King.

Looking really happy , doesn't appear on the video though ( maybe cant play golf !)

[fulwoodshrimp]

It seems clear we are not going to receive big money( 500-600 k) for Stockton. His record overall is very ordinary- last season was a notable exception. His goal tally at other league clubs and in Scotland was poor and his age will count against him as he approaches his late 20's. In his twelve games for Hearts he failed to score a single goal! Clubs might find him very predictable with a sweet right foot but no left foot and no great header of the ball. Good central defenders will know if they stop him from getting the ball onto his right foot he becomes a very ordinary player. I acknowledge his goal return last season was fantastic and the reason we survived in League 1 but we have to be realistic and so has his agent and the player himself.

[black morse]

It seems clear we are not going to receive big money( 500-600 k) for Stockton. His record overall is very ordinary- last season was a notable exception. His goal tally at other league clubs and in Scotland was poor and his age will count against him as he approaches his late 20's. In his twelve games for Hearts he failed to score a single goal! Clubs might find him very predictable with a sweet right foot but no left foot and no great header of the ball. Good central defenders will know if they stop him from getting the ball onto his right foot he becomes a very ordinary player. I acknowledge his goal return last season was fantastic and the reason we survived in League 1 but we have to be realistic and so has his agent and the player himself.

Since when has realism come into football?

[Redalert1970]

He couldn`t play golf he apparently has a groin strain !!!

[Gone_Shrimping]

According to Nixon today , Shrewsbury and Port Vale as well as Fleetwood interested.

No sh*t Sherlock !

[redrobo]

Reports that Fleetwood have possibly decided to pursue a striker on loan from Everton which IF true would remove them from interest in Cole.

Could be wishful thinking on my part but we could see a return of Cole in a red shirt in the not too distant future as predicted by DA who is closer to the actual truth than any of us.

Interesting week ahead.

Am i right in thinking that loan deals can be made outside of any transfer windows.... :

[Gone_Shrimping]

Reports that Fleetwood have possibly decided to pursue a striker on loan from Everton which IF true would remove them from interest in Cole.

Could be wishful thinking on my part but we could see a return of Cole in a red shirt in the not too distant future as predicted by DA who is closer to the actual truth than any of us.

Interesting week ahead.

Am i right in thinking that loan deals can be made outside of any transfer windows.... :

Only goalkeepers can be emergency loans after the Window closes.

Clubs can sign unattached players at any time at all.

[Redalert1970]

If Stockton does leave in this window it won`t be for 600k - personally i think if some club offered app 300k he would be sold

Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday are going to very interesting as the transfer window comes to an end (it`s been rather quiet so far)

[redrobo]

Wonder if a swap deal plus some pennies could be a way out for Cole....

https://therealefl.co.uk/2022/08/29/sal ... p-suitors/

Funnier things have happened so wouldn't rule this one out straight away.

Plus Greg will know all about this players attributes....and possible short comings.

[redrobo]

According to you know who Fleetwood are set to make a final bid for Cole who if reports are correct has told our BoD that he wants to join Fleetwood in order to up his salary.....

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/29/fle ... et/576153/

I realize that there is a thread all about this saga but feel that this news (if true) warrants a thread of its own.

[Keith]

Wonder if a swap deal plus some pennies could be a way out for Cole....

Don't think we've got any pennies to add to Cole for the swap. Direct swap plus a sell on fee?

[Keith]

I realize that there is a thread all about this saga but feel that this news (if true) warrants a thread of its own.

No, it really doesn't! This would be about the fifth thread if they were all left. If Port Vale's local rag also suggests another 'final offer' tomorrow, will that warrant yet another thread?

[Keith]

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/29/fle ... et/576153/

"But Stockton has made it clear to the Morecambe hierarchy that he wants to join Fleetwood in the ongoing window as they are offering him a far better financial package".

If this is true, how is it not an illegal approach?

"Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee..."

..."Section C1 of the FA rules, meanwhile, prohibits a player who is under contract, or his agent, from talking to other clubs, or being approached by other clubs, without the consent of the player’s current club".

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/ ... ach-clubs/

[Redalert1970]

At least by midnight wednesday this whole saga will be sorted one way or the other

I for one will be glad so we can move on and try and win a few matches without all the distractions

[redrobo]

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/29/fle ... et/576153/

"But Stockton has made it clear to the Morecambe hierarchy that he wants to join Fleetwood in the ongoing window as they are offering him a far better financial package".

If this is true, how is it not an illegal approach?

"Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee..."

..."Section C1 of the FA rules, meanwhile, prohibits a player who is under contract, or his agent, from talking to other clubs, or being approached by other clubs, without the consent of the player’s current club".

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/ ... ach-clubs/

But this is Fleetwood owned by someone who is well known for his underhand business dealings....and is due in court in October for illegal dealings. So why should this leopard change his spots just because it's football. IF he ends up in cling it could spell disaster for those clubs under his control.

[Gone_Shrimping]

At least by midnight wednesday this whole saga will be sorted one way or the other

I for one will be glad so we can move on and try and win a few matches without all the distractions

No we won't. The "window" closes at 11 pm on Thursday 1st September.

[Redalert1970]

My mistake ... thought it closed on Wednesday evening

[Keith]

But this is Fleetwood owned by someone who is well known for his underhand business dealings....and is due in court in October for illegal dealings. So why should this leopard change his spots just because it's football. IF he ends up in clink it could spell disaster for those clubs under his control.

All the more reason for the club complaining to the EFL, especially if Stockton goes for less than valued, or doesn't play [well] if forced to stay with us against hiss will.

[SEASIDECLARET]

I think virtually every deal that is done is with all parties being fully aware of the vast majority of the detail prior to completion, and that’s at every level from the NPL to the EPL. Maybe a few i’s to be dotted and t’s to be crossed but I think it’s a little far fetched to even think it doesn’t happen. As to going to the authorities(the FA in this instance) would be futile as nobody would no where to start and they would all deny any prior involvement. I suppose the two of you expect any cash payments you’ve made to contractors will be fully accounted for in regards of vat!

[redrobo]

A wee bit better but still way below what I assume the club would accept....

£375K may be tempting so close to deadline day.

http://d3d4football.com/shrewsbury-town ... er-tabled/

[black morse]

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/29/fle ... et/576153/

"But Stockton has made it clear to the Morecambe hierarchy that he wants to join Fleetwood in the ongoing window as they are offering him a far better financial package".

If this is true, how is it not an illegal approach?

"Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee..."

..."Section C1 of the FA rules, meanwhile, prohibits a player who is under contract, or his agent, from talking to other clubs, or being approached by other clubs, without the consent of the player’s current club".

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/ ... ach-clubs/

How do we know that Morecambe haven't given permission to Fleetwood, or anyone else, to talk to Cole?

[Angler1]

If he leaves ( and actually believe he should because its probably best for our club and him) then I hope it happens soon so we can bring in a replacement...

[Gone_Shrimping]

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/29/fle ... et/576153/

"But Stockton has made it clear to the Morecambe hierarchy that he wants to join Fleetwood in the ongoing window as they are offering him a far better financial package".

If this is true, how is it not an illegal approach?

"Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee..."

..."Section C1 of the FA rules, meanwhile, prohibits a player who is under contract, or his agent, from talking to other clubs, or being approached by other clubs, without the consent of the player’s current club".

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/ ... ach-clubs/

How do we know that Morecambe haven't given permission to Fleetwood, or anyone else, to talk to Cole?

Derek said on Saturday that only 1 club , he didn't name them but probably Fleetwood have made any offers and both were "derisory". You don't give another club permission to talk to a player unless a fee is agreed.