BerlinWaller wrote:Is there any proof that asymptomatic people pass the virus on and infect others? I know there is speculation but has it been proven?
captain sparkle wrote:Here's a new angle,
I've thought about this forever, being the happy, jolly optimist I am (think it's on account of growing up in the "finger on the nuclear button" 1960s).
We need to get this right a.s.a.p., but definitely right, so we know what works & what doesn't & just wastes valuable research time.
The next virus, instead of "only" killing 1%, may "only" kill 10% or 50% or 90% of the population. So we'd better get this sorted quick!
On a lighter note, being as the naysayers spout on about the lack of people dying because of Co-Vid, today nearly as many people died of Co-Vid as the number of UK road fatalities in the WHOLE of 2019 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... t-2019.pdf)
so, presumably those same people don't adhere to any speed limits, red traffic lights etc. etc. & absolutely will never have worn a seatbelt?
that is all, have a nice day.
Phil Anderer wrote:It might sound odd, but a virus with a 90% fatality rate would kill a lot fewer people, as its hosts would likely die out before it got passed on to enough people. Most viruses mutate to become more communicable (already happened) and less fatal- it's a survival mechanism.
BerlinWaller wrote:Is there any proof that asymptomatic people pass the virus on and infect others? I know there is speculation but has it been proven?
I am not disputing that masks stop infections but do old socks, scarves and snoods?
Was there no evidence in to face coverings prior to March 2020? Going through youtube, it appears the clips of Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam claiming there is no evidence showing masks will help have gone.
Born again Bill wrote:Been to Asda tonight , as you enter there are two staff reminding you about the face covering rule . Well done to them !. Problem was people were putting them on to go in then taking them off again with no staff approaching them to give them a gentle reminder !!!
captain sparkle wrote:
And another thing, anyone seen any flu charts recently? I have a theory that, as people are in lockdown & wearing masks when shopping, rates of Flu/colds & the like will plummet, just interested.
Visited Sainsbury's Lancaster tonight, 3 staff members at the entrance, one on her phone, two security (?) men chatting to each other,i approach with trolley wait to be sure i can enter NONE of them even looked at me! Too busy socialising together. Also in the store there were couples shopping together!! Did my best to avoid people as much as possible but too many still lean over trolleys to get stuff instead of waiting for shoppers to move on.Born again Bill wrote:Born again Bill wrote:Been to Asda tonight , as you enter there are two staff reminding you about the face covering rule . Well done to them !. Problem was people were putting them on to go in then taking them off again with no staff approaching them to give them a gentle reminder !!!
Just to add to that comment one of the store managers wasn’t wearing any form of face covering so leading by example had gone out of the window
Slanester wrote:captain sparkle wrote:
And another thing, anyone seen any flu charts recently? I have a theory that, as people are in lockdown & wearing masks when shopping, rates of Flu/colds & the like will plummet, just interested.
I haven’t checked in the last week or so, but it was looking like almost 0 Flu cases. ( Chart I checked.) That takes some thinking about?? COVID out of control, flu nearly 0. I will stand corrected for up to date info, Keith.
Keith wrote:Slanester wrote:captain sparkle wrote:
And another thing, anyone seen any flu charts recently? I have a theory that, as people are in lockdown & wearing masks when shopping, rates of Flu/colds & the like will plummet, just interested.
I haven’t checked in the last week or so, but it was looking like almost 0 Flu cases. ( Chart I checked.) That takes some thinking about?? COVID out of control, flu nearly 0. I will stand corrected for up to date info, Keith.
Not sure what takes thinking about? Flu is nowhere near as infectious as COVID-19 but is spread in the same way. Flu is seasonal, it arrives in the UK around the end of October and leaves around February, peaking in January. The UK was already facing control measures by the start of the flu season.
In the worst flu seasons, with the NHS almost brought to its knees, 7% of the population will get infected.
Left unchecked, COVID-19 will infect around 50% to 80% of the population. Can't even imagine what that would do to the NHS?
BerlinWaller wrote:Is there any proof that asymptomatic people pass the virus on and infect others? I know there is speculation but has it been proven?
I am not disputing that masks stop infections but do old socks, scarves and snoods?
Was there no evidence in to face coverings prior to March 2020? Going through youtube, it appears the clips of Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam claiming there is no evidence showing masks will help have gone.
Phil Anderer wrote:BerlinWaller wrote:Is there any proof that asymptomatic people pass the virus on and infect others? I know there is speculation but has it been proven?
I am not disputing that masks stop infections but do old socks, scarves and snoods?
Was there no evidence in to face coverings prior to March 2020? Going through youtube, it appears the clips of Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam claiming there is no evidence showing masks will help have gone.
I've long been of the opinion that asymptomatic people would still spread the virus, but not as much as those with a cough, however new research reported today in the Guardian suggests (i.e. not conclusive) that talking is worse than coughing, as droplets are smaller and linger in the air longer. If that's the case then it's highly likely asymptomatic people are as contagious as those with symptoms.
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