black morse wrote:HALMA 1983 wrote:black morse wrote:The trouble is that none of our forwards are scoring goals and they don't really have a history as proven strikers. So it's not just a case of waiting for one of them to find goalscoring form......they've never been in that category. Oh for an Aaron Collins!
This is what I find surprising, given, that Derek has identified the shortcomings of the squad he 'inherited'
The signing he most needed hasn't been made but who's to say he won't bring in a 20 goal a season man very soon?
He may have tried but failed!
Little Shrimp wrote:This fixation on a proven goalscorer/poacher is baffling.
Throughout my time supporting the club since about late 2006, I think we have only signed two genuinely proven Football League level goalscorers: Phil Jevons and Paul Mullin (could possible argue Big Kev and Shaun Miller, although both had only gotten more than 10 in an EFL season once in their careers before joining).
In our position financially, we make do with what players we can get and find a system to make the most out of them. Ellison and Redshaw (yes he had a history of scoring but at non-league level) formed a good partnership. Miller had incredible service from Devitt and Barkhuizen. Collins - who had no noteworthy track record - was a pacy dribbler who largely did well from being alongside the battering ram of either Bennett or Oliver.
We try to work out what talents a player has and make the most of them. Our current system is one that tries to work with the tools we have. Cole holding the ball up, (ideally) chipping in with a few and helping to facilitate others (Phillips, CMG, O'Sullivan, Slew, Wildig) and create goalscoring chances. Sometimes it's not always about having one or two strikers who can always bag 10-15+. It can sometimes be about making the most of the talent you have around the pitch to try and chip in with a few each. Mansfield have Rose and Maynard (24 goals between them) yet they are only just above us in the table.
Little Shrimp wrote:This fixation on a proven goalscorer/poacher is baffling.
Throughout my time supporting the club since about late 2006, I think we have only signed two genuinely proven Football League level goalscorers: Phil Jevons and Paul Mullin (could possible argue Big Kev and Shaun Miller, although both had only gotten more than 10 in an EFL season once in their careers before joining).
In our position financially, we make do with what players we can get and find a system to make the most out of them. Ellison and Redshaw (yes he had a history of scoring but at non-league level) formed a good partnership. Miller had incredible service from Devitt and Barkhuizen. Collins - who had no noteworthy track record - was a pacy dribbler who largely did well from being alongside the battering ram of either Bennett or Oliver.
We try to work out what talents a player has and make the most of them. Our current system is one that tries to work with the tools we have. Cole holding the ball up, (ideally) chipping in with a few and helping to facilitate others (Phillips, CMG, O'Sullivan, Slew, Wildig) and create goalscoring chances. Sometimes it's not always about having one or two strikers who can always bag 10-15+. It can sometimes be about making the most of the talent you have around the pitch to try and chip in with a few each. Mansfield have Rose and Maynard (24 goals between them) yet they are only just above us in the table.
Little Shrimp wrote:This fixation on a proven goalscorer/poacher is baffling.
HALMA 1983 wrote:Little Shrimp wrote:This fixation on a proven goalscorer/poacher is baffling.
Throughout my time supporting the club since about late 2006, I think we have only signed two genuinely proven Football League level goalscorers: Phil Jevons and Paul Mullin (could possible argue Big Kev and Shaun Miller, although both had only gotten more than 10 in an EFL season once in their careers before joining).
In our position financially, we make do with what players we can get and find a system to make the most out of them. Ellison and Redshaw (yes he had a history of scoring but at non-league level) formed a good partnership. Miller had incredible service from Devitt and Barkhuizen. Collins - who had no noteworthy track record - was a pacy dribbler who largely did well from being alongside the battering ram of either Bennett or Oliver.
We try to work out what talents a player has and make the most of them. Our current system is one that tries to work with the tools we have. Cole holding the ball up, (ideally) chipping in with a few and helping to facilitate others (Phillips, CMG, O'Sullivan, Slew, Wildig) and create goalscoring chances. Sometimes it's not always about having one or two strikers who can always bag 10-15+. It can sometimes be about making the most of the talent you have around the pitch to try and chip in with a few each. Mansfield have Rose and Maynard (24 goals between them) yet they are only just above us in the table.
All well and good if your only ambition is to dodge the inevitable, season after season
for some reason, I can't see Derek sticking with this beyond April and expect a more potent front line
pre-season, before the big kick-off.
BerlinWaller wrote:Little Shrimp wrote:This fixation on a proven goalscorer/poacher is baffling.
Throughout my time supporting the club since about late 2006, I think we have only signed two genuinely proven Football League level goalscorers: Phil Jevons and Paul Mullin (could possible argue Big Kev and Shaun Miller, although both had only gotten more than 10 in an EFL season once in their careers before joining).
In our position financially, we make do with what players we can get and find a system to make the most out of them. Ellison and Redshaw (yes he had a history of scoring but at non-league level) formed a good partnership. Miller had incredible service from Devitt and Barkhuizen. Collins - who had no noteworthy track record - was a pacy dribbler who largely did well from being alongside the battering ram of either Bennett or Oliver.
We try to work out what talents a player has and make the most of them. Our current system is one that tries to work with the tools we have. Cole holding the ball up, (ideally) chipping in with a few and helping to facilitate others (Phillips, CMG, O'Sullivan, Slew, Wildig) and create goalscoring chances. Sometimes it's not always about having one or two strikers who can always bag 10-15+. It can sometimes be about making the most of the talent you have around the pitch to try and chip in with a few each. Mansfield have Rose and Maynard (24 goals between them) yet they are only just above us in the table.
Totally agree. Where on earth are we going to pluck a 20 goal a season man from? There is a reason for strikers demanding the big fees and that is there aren't many around. Strikers also blow hot and cold. Look at Ings, did ok at Burnley, deemed surplus at Liverpoo but suddenly he is red hot and destined for an England call up at Southampton.
Under Jim we were creating next to nothing and shipping lots of goals. DA has sorted the defence and midfield so we are harder to score against. He uses Cole as that target man to occupy the defence which he does well. The goals have been spread out but chances are going begging. When Cole has tired, AJ is the man to stretch the latter part of the game.
Slanester wrote:parceldave wrote:
I think if we had a goal poacher up front we would have been 2 up in first 15 mins , brilliant build up play just squandered .
Squandered might be a bit harsh Dave but that sums up virtually all of our games. If we can turn the tide, with the lads we have, then the points will rack up quickly.
parceldave wrote:Slanester wrote:parceldave wrote:
I think if we had a goal poacher up front we would have been 2 up in first 15 mins , brilliant build up play just squandered .
Squandered might be a bit harsh Dave but that sums up virtually all of our games. If we can turn the tide, with the lads we have, then the points will rack up quickly.
Sorry but we just seem to get stage fright when it comes to finish off some good build up play and Saturday in the first 5 mins the ball was played right across the 6 yard area , just needed a toe poke but Justin Jackson wasn't there .
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