Tutte?

[Gone_Shrimping]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

Just wondering Supermarket Shrimp how you assert 'it's pretty clear he's got some serious cash...'. I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case, and I'm assuming we'll only get new players in if existing ones can be moved on/out on loan.

He's turned down Motherwell wasn't it as he'd "given his word".

I'm expecting a whole scale squad replacement.

He turned down Hearts. I hope you are right about a whole scale squad replacement , not sure how he will shift some of them though.

[Phil Anderer]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

Just wondering Supermarket Shrimp how you assert 'it's pretty clear he's got some serious cash...'. I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case, and I'm assuming we'll only get new players in if existing ones can be moved on/out on loan.

He's turned down Motherwell wasn't it as he'd "given his word".

I'm expecting a whole scale squad replacement.

I still don't get how you think it's clear there's some serious cash to throw around. It seems to me your adding 2 + 2 and getting 22.

[SupermarketShrimp]

Maybe.

Just a hunch really. If you've got us or Motherwell to choose from - why are you picking us? Maybe the dreams of starting a game of 90's football manager with a team bottom of Division 4 in real life was too good to turn down.

[Phil Anderer]

Maybe.

Just a hunch really. If you've got us or Motherwell to choose from - why are you picking us? Maybe the dreams of starting a game of 90's football manager with a team bottom of Division 4 in real life was too good to turn down.

From 'pretty clear' to 'just a hunch'. What we know is that there's a large squad, and to get rid of players either they need to be loaned out, sold, or have their contracts paid up. If they're not good enough for Morecambe, it's probably a safe bet they'll have to drop at least one division, at which point potentially salary starts to come in to play (although probably not so much at conference level), but also there's the aspect of whether or not they want to drop a level any sooner than they have to. That pretty much leaves paying contracts up, which just eats up money, so we might as well keep them to the end of the season as it's no extra cost, but that still doesn't free up money for new players. No one has offered up any credible evidence of there being new money available. As for turning down Hearts, whilst you may be right, the reason given at the time was that he'd already shaken hands on the Morecambe job, and it would have been dishonourable to to change his mind at that juncture, which still to me seems to be the most likely reason in the absence of any other evidence to the contrary.

[redrobo]

Wonder if our owners have money for DA but decided NOT to give it to JB in the hope that hope that he would decide to leave himself before the end of the season or worse still face the sack and have to pay up the remainder of his contract......

I know of a growing number that think there may be some truth behind this....

[mrpotatohead]

What....there are now even more of you!!!

[redrobo]

What....there are now even more of you!!!

Expect more Christmas Cards this year....

[RedRedWine]

I think I'm in a minority of supporters who likes Tutte and can see what he brings to the team - he's a good dead ball specialist and also has a good range of FORWARD passing. He has been inconsistent though, partly due to periods of unavailability due to injury (the reason why he is here IMO). He was our best player vs. Salford City IMO. Harsh to form a judgement of one player based on one terrible team performance at Crewe 18 months ago.

From the press releases that I've seen/heard there is no indication that there's money to spend in January. On Radio Lancashire Derek stated that the budget for the season had been spent (surely he was aware of this before taking up the role?) but that the directors were trying to put some additional funds together. Personally, I think it will be a case of letting players go to bring new players in as per last season.

As to why Derek turned down the opportunity to manage Hearts (not Motherwell) - only Derek will know the answer.

Is Andy Fleming still on the payroll? Club legend and all that, but giving him a new contract without proving his fitness was a bit silly. We are not the sort of club who can have money tied up on a player who can't contribute.

[SupermarketShrimp]

I was of the belief that we were waiting for the insurance pay out on Fleming. Could be wrong.

Dishonourable or otherwise, was the money not similar and the ability to buy players not there, he's have been bat shit crazy to turn Hearts down (know it was Scottish!)

I like Tutte, but like many before him (Murphy, Rose) that we sign in the hope that we can get a good tune out of an old fiddle, he needs people to do his running for him.

[Keith]

I was of the belief that we were waiting for the insurance pay out on Fleming. Could be wrong.

That's what I understood too.

Andy was MotM in the game where he received his career ending injury and had been playing some of his best football, so I don't think it is fair to questing giving him a new contract.

I like Tutte, but like many before him (Murphy, Rose) that we sign in the hope that we can get a good tune out of an old fiddle, he needs people to do his running for him.

Not that old a fiddle! He's only 29 now (in September) so was only 27 years old when he signed for us!

[SupermarketShrimp]

Jesus, where was his paper round, up and down Mont Blanc?

[Keith]

Jesus, where was his paper round, up and down Mont Blanc?

Mind you, that's from Wikipedia, so who knows!

[marky No.1]

Jesus, where was his paper round, up and down Mont Blanc?

He does jog around like a 36 year old

[black morse]

Jesus, where was his paper round, up and down Mont Blanc?

He does jog around like a 36 year old

Wish I did

[marky No.1]

Jesus, where was his paper round, up and down Mont Blanc?

He does jog around like a 36 year old

Wish I did

[mfcbro]

Re: Tutte?

Postby redrobo » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:51 pm
Tutt is a prime example of the legacy that JB left us with.

"A far too big a squad of 27 at least 10 if not more are not EFL2 standard and what is even more criminal in my eyes is that JB spent (some would argue wasted ) the entire budget leaving nothing for signings come January"

Wrong again redrobo,spouting again without knowing the facts,squad of 27 players 6 of which are funded by the eppp youth system,giving youth a chance that you always go on about.Another player not paid at all which leaves 20 paid squad members.Oh and by the way Jim Bentley has left,give him a bit of credit for what he did for morecambe fc.

[BerlinWaller]

It does look like injuries have caught up with Tutte but he did seem to look like he had slimmed down a bit recently. DA seems to like a 2 of Kenyon and Brewitt with the attacking runs of Wildig.

[mrpotatohead]

Stop picking on the red child, he was a bit down a while ago so it's alright for him to constantly kick Jim, it makes him feel better, the truth doesn't matter.

[redrobo]

Re: Tutte?

Postby redrobo » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:51 pm
Tutt is a prime example of the legacy that JB left us with.

"A far too big a squad of 27 at least 10 if not more are not EFL2 standard and what is even more criminal in my eyes is that JB spent (some would argue wasted ) the entire budget leaving nothing for signings come January"

Wrong again redrobo,spouting again without knowing the facts,squad of 27 players 6 of which are funded by the eppp youth system,giving youth a chance that you always go on about.Another player not paid at all which leaves 20 paid squad members.Oh and by the way Jim Bentley has left,give him a bit of credit for what he did for morecambe fc.

Maybe if that had been made public about the workings and its financial contributions of the EPPP Youth System we would have understood the logic behind a squad of 27. However DA has said that the squad is too large and unbalanced. Not my words....his!


Unless told differently then the fact remains that the budget was used in full leaving nothing for January. Too date nobody has denied that simple fact.

The news about one player not being paid is probably unknown not only by myself but I suspect the majority of fellow SVers..

As for giving JB credit, over the years I have acknowledged the work done by him despite the off field problems BUT we constantly found ourselves in a relegation scrap which had become the norm. It was time for a change. Not only for our club but also for JB and Co. They needed a new challenge and we needed a new face at the helm.

Nobody can predict with any certainty the future but with new managers at both clubs then it is possible that both clubs will progress....I for one would like to think so.


https://www.premierleague.com/youth/EPPP

A detailed insight into the work undertaken by the EPPP Youth System.

[Posh]

I think I'm in a minority of supporters who likes Tutte and can see what he brings to the team - he's a good dead ball specialist and also has a good range of FORWARD passing. He has been inconsistent though, partly due to periods of unavailability due to injury (the reason why he is here IMO). He was our best player vs. Salford City IMO. Harsh to form a judgement of one player based on one terrible team performance at Crewe 18 months ago.

From the press releases that I've seen/heard there is no indication that there's money to spend in January. On Radio Lancashire Derek stated that the budget for the season had been spent (surely he was aware of this before taking up the role?) but that the directors were trying to put some additional funds together. Personally, I think it will be a case of letting players go to bring new players in as per last season.

As to why Derek turned down the opportunity to manage Hearts (not Motherwell) - only Derek will know the answer.

Is Andy Fleming still on the payroll? Club legend and all that, but giving him a new contract without proving his fitness was a bit silly. We are not the sort of club who can have money tied up on a player who can't contribute.

Agree about Tutte. A very good footballer on his day. Would be eminently better if he had runners to pass the ball to. He gets crocked too easily though and can only manage half a season.

As regards signings, there surely will be some money. We've lost Ken McKenna and Lee Jones without direct replacements and we'll lose Lewis Allesandra plus Andy Fleming is off the books. Depending on the deal, there may be options to cut short Shaun Miller's loan. We'll struggle to loan out any of our players as I honestly can't see anyone wanting any of the ones we'd want to move on. However, it surely leaves room for up to four players.

I thought Jim was a great manager but as I've said all season this is the worst squad we've ever had and I completely agree with Shrimpy that very little thought went into it. Jim was to blame. Some players should never have been signed - some who were here and some new or on their second visit. So many past their sell by date and on the way down and not young and hungry. If I was to cull this squad I'd definitely keep Sam Lavelle, Tom Brewitt, Mark Halstead and Ibrahim Bakare, possibly Mendes Gomez and that would be it.

If we can't bring in at least four players, three of whom are instant hits, then relegation beckons because there is very little prospect of turning this squad around.

[Slanester]

Thank goodness for football managers, who do the “ real “ work of assembling a squad. From the keyboard side, it is so easy, and every team would be vying to be league winners.

[KenH]

I thought Jim was a great manager but as I've said all season this is the worst squad we've ever had and I completely agree with Shrimpy that very little thought went into it. Jim was to blame. Some players should never have been signed - some who were here and some new or on their second visit. So many past their sell by date and on the way down and not young and hungry. If I was to cull this squad I'd definitely keep Sam Lavelle, Tom Brewitt, Mark Halstead and Ibrahim Bakare, possibly Mendes Gomez and that would be it.

Agree with every word of that. I think Jim had become quite jaded (who can blame him) and didn't do his usual "magic" with the Summer signings. All a bit lazy for me, i.e. bringing back 3 ex-players who were out of form, and giving new contracts to some existing players who didn't really deserve them. I can't see any real "strategy" re the players retained and brought in - we have gaps in some positions and too many options in others. As Derek rightly says, a very unbalanced squad.

The only new signing who has performed is Lewis - yes, he's not firing on all cylinders with us, but he's our top scorer and is fit enough to last the full 90. Very disappointed with Miller and Stockton, but they were available for a reason!

And yes, can't really see much money, if any, being generated from loaning out any players. Unless, of course, Jim comes in to take one or two over to Fylde (Kenyon, Wildig, Lewis?, Tutte?). Maybe another academy player or two may be loaned out just to save their wage? The only couple that may be in demand would be Gomes and Jagne I'd have thought, but with never seeing any others, it's hard to know, especially with the shock/surprise of Leif Davis who'd never even been on the main team bench.

As you say, there "should be" 4 wages available for the January window. We can't expect miracles, because the wages saved won't be huge, but hopefully it gives Derek something to work with. The pressure is on him to spend it wisely on players who can come straight into the team in and make an immediate difference. If the Board/owners can find a bit more down the back of a sofa, then all the better.

[BerlinWaller]

Would the recently appointed Directors have to invest some money?

[redrobo]

Posh's post is excellent in so many ways but I wonder with regard to money being made available, if DA's salary is that of JB ( ) if not we may have saved ourselves some money there (assuming that his salary is less) as well as that of KMc and Jones which could mean some finance going towards a couple of new signings.

I'm still of the opinion that our owners made it impossible for JB to stay and as a result have deliberately kept money back for the new manager to use as he sees fit.

[Gone_Shrimping]

Would the recently appointed Directors have to invest some money?

Just had a look at Companies House and only one of the 2 new directors has had forms lodged appointing him. No fresh forms have been lodged in respect of share issues as that is one way of putting some money in the kitty.

Listening to DA on the radio last weekend he did sound critical of Jim's recruitment and I have to say that last Summer was not a good one in that respect. The lack of pace is the most obvious problem and finding a decent centre back partner for Sam Lavelle is another area to address.