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[Redalert1970]

So you are saying I come back after been previously killed off
What a nice think for a moderator too say

In my opinion Jim should be sacked if you don't agree that's your choice and I respect that

6 points from 27 says otherwise

[RapidShrimp]

Its Keiths ball and if you criticise jb Keith will take his ball home! The roundup gang will be out in force on here and Facebook to try to defend their mate!

The only "Roundup" I know of is weedkiller? Are you suggesting that the anti-Bentley brigade are weeds? Thats a bit harsh. I mean, I disagree with them, but I'll let them post without suggesting they are weeds that need killing off. Not nice al1, not nice at all.

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That said, they do come out of the cracks after every defeat and many of them return in a different form after you think they previously been killed off. And Personnal Protective Equipment is recommended when clearing up after them, so perhaps you are right?

Give over Keith, every fan is entitled to an opinion, especially after 3/4 years of paying hundreds upon hundreds of pounds to see the same crap on repeat, with only a couple of games (noteably at the end of last season) temporarily curing our depression towards our club.

If Jim leaves, I would hate to see him leave in a bad way, but while he is still in control of the team, we have a right to criticise and be annoyed, like we do with any representitive of ours.

Also, “the brigade” don’t just only exist after a sole loss... Far from it! It’s just the odd win temporarily masks the criticism, as who would actually complain after a win? The point is, as a whole - on average - we have been very poor in recent seasons, making the same stupid mistakes over and over, and we still can’t defend and the team is devoid of marking.

[Keith]

So you are saying I come back after been previously killed off
What a nice think for a moderator too say

In my opinion Jim should be sacked if you don't agree that's your choice and I respect that

6 points from 27 says otherwise

Err... no, that's my interpretation of "the Roundup gang". It would appear to be what they are saying?

Should I change your log in name to Little Weed and Berlin Waller & Al1 to Bill & Ben, the Flower Pot Men?

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[BerlinWaller]

Behave Keith. You are fast becoming Jim's official spin doctor. I have made a note of my password, i advise everyone to make a note of your own. There will be some serious rounding up done on here over the next couple of days.

[BerlinWaller]

So you are saying I come back after been previously killed off
What a nice think for a moderator too say

In my opinion Jim should be sacked if you don't agree that's your choice and I respect that

6 points from 27 says otherwise

Err... no, that's my interpretation of "the Roundup gang". It would appear to be what they are saying?

Should I change your log in name to Little Weed and Berlin Waller & Al1 to Bill & Ben, the Flower Pot Men?

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Making this very personal now Keith. You have already singled out John in a post despite him explaining his current situation a few days ago and now you are screen shotting your little heart out.

[RapidShrimp]

Behave Keith. You are fast becoming Jim's official spin doctor. I have made a note of my password, i advise everyone to make a note of your own. There will be some serious rounding up done on here over the next couple of days.

You don’t have a right to criticise the all-knowing, genius!! In all red caps and big font...

[Redalert1970]

Don't worry about it Berlin Waller I have been through much much worse over last two years

[Morecambe Jack]

Back to the football.

It was worrying that tonight the formation was changed, but the tactics and performance did not. There was no energy, no movement, no closing down of play. Passing was dreadful, we frequently gave away possession and there was countless hoofing of the ball when we had no other options.

Walsall on the other hand made some really neat passing play, but key to their win was they didn't give us a second on the ball all game, constantly pressing. If they had enough about them in the final third they would have romped home.

Why must every ball we play into the box go out wide, then get switched across back and forth several times? So predictable, and it doesn't suit the players we have. Attack through the middle ocassionally, to the feet of players like Miller and Lewi - play to their strengths.

[Keith]

Give over Keith, every fan is entitled to an opinion, especially after 3/4 years of paying hundreds upon hundreds of pounds to see the same crap on repeat, with only a couple of games (noteably at the end of last season) temporarily curing our depression towards our club.

If Jim leaves, I would hate to see him leave in a bad way, but while he is still in control of the team, we have a right to criticise and be annoyed, like we do with any representitive of ours.

Also, “the brigade” don’t just only exist after a sole loss... Far from it! It’s just the odd win temporarily masks the criticism, as who would actually complain after a win? The point is, as a whole - on average - we have been very poor in recent seasons, making the same stupid mistakes over and over, and we still can’t defend and the team is devoid of marking.

I'm not stopping anyone from having an opinion. If you read this thread, Scunthorpe's and elsewhere, I've been as critical as anyone else.

I do get annoyed when the 'Jim Out' campaigners say that anyone who disagrees with them are only doing so because they are Jim's mate and he buys us/them drinks. They also appear to think that once they've posted negatively, anyone who challenges that is trying to suppress them or shut them up. I also get pissed off when people make out that I censor negative posters. There is a ten page long thread that is quite clearly entitled "The "JIM BENTLEY OUT" thread. (Please don't start any more)" Hardly the greatest act of censorship is it? If people think they have some kind of right to SPAM the forum by starting repeated threads all saying the same thing, then they are wrong. If they want to post in that one thread, then allowing for the usual rules of decency/swearing etc then they are free to do so.

You say, “the brigade” don’t just only exist after a sole loss... Far from it! It’s just the odd win temporarily masks the criticism, as who would actually complain after a win?"

No, but there are plenty who are completely absent when we are playing well. Where were they at the start of this year when we went on a run to the end of last season that was top play-off form? When did they post then congratulating the players and expressing their delight? They disappeared off (SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL!) and waited for the poor run again. If there was some balance, recognise when things go well, as well as badly, then fair enough. But they don't and that's what annoys me. That and the snide personal comments ('taking ball away if people are critical', 'round up gang', 'Jim's mates'...)

[Redalert1970]

This is my last post... Sorry but this year we will be relegated if this blinkered manager stays in charge

Tonight he said the players gave everything but never had a shot on target

Excuses are the same every week.. We are simply not good enough and don't have the squad or money to turn it round

Unless the manager is changed we are doomed simple as..

[RapidShrimp]

In my humble opinion, the problem ISN’T the fact that we didn’t have a shot on goal, ISN’T that we’ve conceded 21+ goals in the last 3 weeks, ISN’T that we’ve only managed to score 4 goals in our last 6/7 games - it’s NOT just all about the stats - and Keith, this is where I agree with you (somewhat loosely ) - it is the mere fact that we are performing crap home AND away, against top AND bottom of the lesgue and also have a 27-man squad, with promising youth talent (inc. Lynch who should’ve got on the bench considering we only seemed fo have 6 subs this evening...) which isn’t being utilised.

Stats don’t tell the whole story - they make the situation look like a rut in form, when in fact (I believe at least) it’s a whole lot worse and the club is stuck in this vicious cycle of failing to improve simple defensive issues and missing creativity, and then getting saved seconds before disaster, either through fortune (i.e. Baz’s heroics v. Coventry when we threw ourselves into the mire after losing to Barnet) or being bailed out by loanees.

One way or another, this cycle has GOT TO STOP. Whether it lies at Jim’s feet, I don’t know. Only Jim knows whether he is right to continue being in charge, and only he knows whether he can really change us into a competent League Two outfit.

[al1]

John please keep posting your opinion,you have every right to.This is what they want fans to do unfortunately,as all a handful of supporters want to do is keep jb in the job,they are not bothered that our club may go back to the national league.They will just say that we had a good run and that we have found our level.But they will still be sat up on their pmg perches enjoying all the priviliges that go with being jbs mate

[Slanester]

John please keep posting your opinion,you have every right to.This is what they want fans to do unfortunately,as all a handful of supporters want to do is keep jb in the job,they are not bothered that our club may go back to the national league.They will just say that we had a good run and that we have found our level.But they will still be sat up on their pmg perches enjoying all the priviliges that go with being jbs mate

Not sure who the people are that you are referring to, but you obviously do. So you will know that, I am definitely not one of them.
I share all the same emotions as every other supporter, and would love for the team to achieve real success, but the reality is, slim to no chance, within the Morecambe F.C “framework.” So sticking with a manager who has proven to achieve the remit of the club every season, rather than take the “ huge gamble” of bringing in somebody unproven within the same framework, is not one I want to take.
If it happens though, and this managerial, football “god”, throws his hat in the ring, and takes our club to the dizzy heights that some feel can be achieved. I will be the FIRST to admit, “ how totally wrong I was.” Not going to hold my breath though,and will continue to get fully behind all at Morecambe F.C.

[HALMA 1983]

John please keep posting your opinion,you have every right to.This is what they want fans to do unfortunately,as all a handful of supporters want to do is keep jb in the job,they are not bothered that our club may go back to the national league.They will just say that we had a good run and that we have found our level.But they will still be sat up on their pmg perches enjoying all the priviliges that go with being jbs mate

Not sure who the people are that you are referring to, but you obviously do. So you will know that, I am definitely not one of them.
I share all the same emotions as every other supporter, and would love for the team to achieve real success, but the reality is, slim to no chance, within the Morecambe F.C “framework.” So sticking with a manager who has proven to achieve the remit of the club every season, rather than take the “ huge gamble” of bringing in somebody unproven within the same framework, is not one I want to take.
If it happens though, and this managerial, football “god”, throws his hat in the ring, and takes our club to the dizzy heights that some feel can be achieved. I will be the FIRST to admit, “ how totally wrong I was.” Not going to hold my breath though,and will continue to get fully behind all at Morecambe F.C.

I'm the same as you and see things a tad clearer from my Oldham perch, Jim's only problem in my eyes is his over achievement every season that has now become the accepted norm,
For him it's been a massive shitstorm balancing budget's, the limited abilities of the players he's been able to bring in and no doubts his own pride that has been crushed at every turn.

I myself, never really fully appreciated what was going on in the background at MFC until it surfaced in my own club and it makes you take stock of things, anyone can call themselves a manager and regally fook up on a regular basis, Oldham have shown that clearly and it's sickening.
Unless the owners of Morecambe can find a proper, affordable replacement who has a very decent track record, you're on a hiding to nothing, expectation is one thing but in reality it never seems to go hand in hand.

[asda shrimp]

That's how i see it as well,also the players that he was able to get in mybee just can't play the way we all want,how do we know jim did or did not try to get better players but just can't afford them or they went somewhere for more money,i for one will still go and support my club and manager.

[Keith]

John please keep posting your opinion,you have every right to.This is what they want fans to do unfortunately,as all a handful of supporters want to do is keep jb in the job,they are not bothered that our club may go back to the national league.They will just say that we had a good run and that we have found our level.But they will still be sat up on their pmg perches enjoying all the priviliges that go with being jbs mate

Not sure who the people are that you are referring to, but you obviously do. So you will know that, I am definitely not one of them.
I share all the same emotions as every other supporter, and would love for the team to achieve real success, but the reality is, slim to no chance, within the Morecambe F.C “framework.” So sticking with a manager who has proven to achieve the remit of the club every season, rather than take the “ huge gamble” of bringing in somebody unproven within the same framework, is not one I want to take.
If it happens though, and this managerial, football “god”, throws his hat in the ring, and takes our club to the dizzy heights that some feel can be achieved. I will be the FIRST to admit, “ how totally wrong I was.” Not going to hold my breath though,and will continue to get fully behind all at Morecambe F.C.

That is exactly how I feel Slanester. But according to the 'Out Brigade' that makes you 'Jim's Mate'. They appear to think that spending money we haven't got, in order to be 'ambitious' is a 'good thing'. Those of us who think Jim is working bloody miracles season after season, with no cash think we're lucky to have him. We look at what has happened at Bury and imagine what their fans are feeling? They chased ambition with money they didn't have, celebrated getting promotion to League One and never played another game. Over a hundred years of history wiped out. Oldham could collapse before the end of the season the way things are going.

The cheap digs get frustrating. Volunteers getting in to games for free is a common theme of some. Perhaps they should volunteer at the club themselves and then find out if the hours put in for free are worth it to save the entrance fee? By the way, I'm a Life Season Ticket holder, so whether I'm in for free as a volunteer (if I'm taking photos) or not, I've paid my way in anyway. The insinuation of people having their opinion blocked is annoying too. John became personally abusive in a previous incarnation but has been let back in. The 'spammers' who started something like sixteen new 'Bentley out' threads in the same evening led to me needing to manually approve new accounts (which is a pain). One of them is back and so far behaving.

We all want want the same thing and really need to be pulling together.

[Phil Anderer]

John please keep posting your opinion,you have every right to.This is what they want fans to do unfortunately,as all a handful of supporters want to do is keep jb in the job,they are not bothered that our club may go back to the national league.They will just say that we had a good run and that we have found our level.But they will still be sat up on their pmg perches enjoying all the priviliges that go with being jbs mate

Not sure who the people are that you are referring to, but you obviously do. So you will know that, I am definitely not one of them.
I share all the same emotions as every other supporter, and would love for the team to achieve real success, but the reality is, slim to no chance, within the Morecambe F.C “framework.” So sticking with a manager who has proven to achieve the remit of the club every season, rather than take the “ huge gamble” of bringing in somebody unproven within the same framework, is not one I want to take.
If it happens though, and this managerial, football “god”, throws his hat in the ring, and takes our club to the dizzy heights that some feel can be achieved. I will be the FIRST to admit, “ how totally wrong I was.” Not going to hold my breath though,and will continue to get fully behind all at Morecambe F.C.

That is exactly how I feel Slanester. But according to the 'Out Brigade' that makes you 'Jim's Mate'. They appear to think that spending money we haven't got, in order to be 'ambitious' is a 'good thing'. Those of us who think Jim is working bloody miracles season after season, with no cash think we're lucky to have him. We look at what has happened at Bury and imagine what their fans are feeling? They chased ambition with money they didn't have, celebrated getting promotion to League One and never played another game. Over a hundred years of history wiped out. Oldham could collapse before the end of the season the way things are going.

The cheap digs get frustrating. Volunteers getting in to games for free is a common theme of some. Perhaps they should volunteer at the club themselves and then find out if the hours put in for free are worth it to save the entrance fee? By the way, I'm a Life Season Ticket holder, so whether I'm in for free as a volunteer (if I'm taking photos) or not, I've paid my way in anyway. The insinuation of people having their opinion blocked is annoying too. John became personally abusive in a previous incarnation but has been let back in. The 'spammers' who started something like sixteen new 'Bentley out' threads in the same evening led to me needing to manually approve new accounts (which is a pain). One of them is back and so far behaving.

We all want want the same thing and really need to be pulling together.

Keith, I'm not one of the Jim Out brigade anyway, although I have today posted that I think his time should be up at the end of his contract. I don't expect vast sums spending, which is out of Jim's hands anyway, and I agree he has done well to keep us up with the limits on the budget, but my frustration is that there are no new ideas, even when we see the same things happening week in/week out. Surely at least some of these can be addressed, such as marking, closing down, moving into space to provide team mates with options. I'm no football brain, but that's surely not rocket science.

[glagys]

Towards the end of the game we had them packed in their penalty area and we passed the ball between us round the penalty area, and ended up on the halfway line without anyone having a shot,visiting teams come have a shot from anywhere and with luck it bounces to them or hits a player and goes in, we never seem to do that why?? Are they told not to shoot on sight ?? Are we told to walk it in??
And I still wouldn't have Baz as captain,
you need a captain in the middle who can get players motivated and get them going

[tim-sanchez]

Towards the end of the game we had them packed in their penalty area and we passed the ball between us round the penalty area, and ended up on the halfway line without anyone having a shot,visiting teams come have a shot from anywhere and with luck it bounces to them or hits a player and goes in, we never seem to do that why?? Are they told not to shoot on sight ?? Are we told to walk it in??

Agreed. If not a shot, I'd prefer to see an attempted through ball or someone running at the defence. O'Sullivan, Tanner, Miller and Alessandra look like they can beat a man, so why do they constantly turn back and pass rather than take the risky option? I could maybe understand at 0-0, but when we're losing I want to see us give it a go. I don't mind if it doesn't work 9/10 times, because the 1/10 times it does work would lead to a chance. We're far too risk-averse, always taking the safe option to keep possession.

[KenH]

And I still wouldn't have Baz as captain,you need a captain in the middle who can get players motivated and get them going

I was saying that all last season. I just don't like having a goalie as captain. He can't possibly direct the midfield and beyond, hence we end up looking like headless chickens. We've not had a decent captain for years now. Against what other people may have thought, I thought Hughes did the job well and I think we really miss him, both as captain and central defender. I think it was a mistake of Jim to let him go. Murphy, of course, was a excellent replacement, but his prolonged injuries meant we've had a succession of temporary/below par captains. I just can't comprehend how, despite him being captain himself in decisive times on our history, Jim doesn't seem to place must reliance/emphasis on having a good captain on the pitch.

[Keith]

Keith, I'm not one of the Jim Out brigade anyway, although I have today posted that I think his time should be up at the end of his contract. I don't expect vast sums spending, which is out of Jim's hands anyway, and I agree he has done well to keep us up with the limits on the budget, but my frustration is that there are no new ideas, even when we see the same things happening week in/week out. Surely at least some of these can be addressed, such as marking, closing down, moving into space to provide team mates with options. I'm no football brain, but that's surely not rocket science.

I think a review at the end of contract is eminently sensible. It gives Jim time to turn things around (as he has done in the past) and/or is a cheap & pragmatic way to part company.

I do agree that fair criticism should be placed in his direction. I think the midfield has been the problem. They are not creating anything while also not protecting the defence. I think we could have played without Tutte, Wildig and O'Sullivan last night and not really noticed. Kev was at least getting back and defending and almost created a chance for us (the head down to off-side Miller). 3-5-2, 4-4-2 or any other formation will fail if the midfield are missing. We know Tutte & Wildig can perform much better than they have the last couple of games, but they look devoid of confidence and always looking for a sideways or backward pass. When the midfield look like the ball is a hot potato you'll have problems. Jim needs to sort this out urgently. Someone mentioned Buxton in midfield, that might be worth a try? I'd like to see Cranston in the middle too, to try and offer some backbone. And he's not afraid to shoot either. Although someone else, not on here, pointed out that this demonstrated how bad things are in that department, that the perceived 'fix' is to play two defenders instead of 'natural' midfielders! Perhaps Cranston & Mendes-Gomes? Mendes-Gomes would confuse opposition defences because half the time I don't think he knows what he's doing next, so no chance of them knowing! But he may as well be getting the experience, rather than experienced players as passengers?

Regardless of how Jim & the team respond, Oldham is a huge pressure game for us now. We've played two poor teams and made them look good, we can't afford to make it a hat-trick.

[marky No.1]

Back to the hoofball.

Corrected your quote

Opposition teams can pretty much play without a keeper and have 11 outfield players instead

[marky No.1]

Back to the hoofball.

Corrected your quote Kevs head must have been so worn out, he then began to not challenge for the ball in the air before he was subbed

Opposition teams can pretty much play without a keeper and have 11 outfield players instead

[Little Shrimp]

A little aside from the In vs Out (shake it all about) debate - why is Carlos Mendes Gomes constantly being touted as a central midfield solution?

He's a forward/winger, and has always played there for us. It's Lamin Jagne who is the central midfielder, who I have been very impressed by when I've seen play - probably more so than CMG. He was very unfortunate to get an injury when he did last season as he was just starting to make some headway in the side.

[KenH]

Anyone know why we had only 6 subs last night? Carlos and Lamin were there hanging around with the players. A bit strange neither of them were given the spare seat on the bench, or even one of the many other squad members who don't seem to get a look in?