Posh wrote:
marky wrote:It is a misleading graphic but then, so are the "She needs nurses, not a new voting system" style posters that have been the mainstay of the no campaign from the very start.
Posh wrote: The Conservatives are hypocrites.
Posh wrote:The beer v coffee image isn't bollocks it just simplifies an argument.
bigreddog wrote:Do you really think that the 191 votes from England First are coming my way? A party expelled from the the BNP for being "too openly racist". Result: the third party decides the outcome of the election.
Posh wrote:Isn't a condescending argument to vote against the Conservatives. The Conservatives are hypocrites. Happy to elect their leader using AV, happy to back it in other elections but against it when it benefits them.
Posh wrote:The beer v coffee image isn't bollocks it just simplifies an argument. Yes the Greens, Lib Dems and Labour hold different views but they all stand on the left and share more wi each other than the Conservatives. Together they poll the most votes but they have to kow-tow to the right to get power.
Posh wrote:bigreddog wrote:Do you really think that the 191 votes from England First are coming my way? A party expelled from the the BNP for being "too openly racist". Result: the third party decides the outcome of the election.
No. It's decided by 191 citizens of Heysham South (typically former Labour voters) who you had failed to convince to vote for you and, of you had won would have represented as equally as any other citizen. The vast majority of those votes would have gone to you.
P.S. Using the Clegg image is far more patronising as an argument than trying to stop Conservative rule.
Keith wrote:So you suggest changing the system for electing governments for the next hundred years, not because it is the 'right thing to do' but because it will potentially damage the current government (as Mandelson suggested)? Short-termist agenda rather than for the good of the country? And if it is genuinely 'the right thing to do', then why didn't Labour introduce the opportunity for change when they were in power for almost a decade?
marky No.1 wrote:Clifford has just had one almighty chomp!
bigreddog wrote: If I can't win using my own arguments and my own values, I'm not prepared to win pandering to other peoples. just because people I disagree with will find it harder to win, doesn't make a system better, that's more about tactics than it is about democracy.
Posh wrote:Keith wrote:if it is genuinely 'the right thing to do', then why didn't Labour introduce the opportunity for change when they were in power for almost a decade?
That's the opposite of what I suggested. The current system has favoured the Tories for a hundred years. I want something that more favours the people. Giving Cameron a bloody nose is an added bonus.
Keith wrote:I refer you back to the part of my post you ignored. It appears to me that the bloody nose is paramount otherwise Labour would have introduced it when they were in power.
Keith wrote:Posh wrote:
It is a clever graphic, but of course it is also a complete load of bollocks! It assumes that 'everything that isn't coffee, is beer'. In reality, the 'preferred beverage' would include tea (Queen's Head), water (Red Lion) and orange juice (The Castle). The beer drinker (The Green Man) would like a cold drink so his second choice is an orange juice. Still no clear winner. So the water drinkers are asked what their second choice is and they also plump for a fellow 'cold drink'.
Eventually, you end up with a situation where it's cold drinks no matter what. The 'first past the post' coffee drinkers are stuck with orange juice because they most successfully harvested the second choice of the extremists.
As I say, a clever graphic, but it is designed to mislead, not inform.
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