Heinz wrote:Sorry, but I can't get my neck round someone getting 45% of the turnout vote potentially being beaten by someone who only got 25% of the votes in the first round.
Fptp might have its flaws, but so does low turnout [for whatever reason].
Heysham_Shrimp wrote:Under AV it is quite probable that there will be MPs representing the BNP being elected as they would be the 2nd preference vote of lots of Labour and Conservative voters in some seats. Under FPTP this party is marginalised.
Posh wrote: However change needs to tied to compulsory voting. It is a joke that people in this country don't undertake their democratic duty. People died for the vote and are still dying around the world today for the right. Ignorance, stupidity and a lack of responsibilty, reasons much of our society is suffering is the reason. We shouldn't pander to their ignorance we should force people to vote and offer none of the above as an alternative on the ballot paper. We should then work to overhaul the electoral laws and provide a better system.
FPTP asks the question "who do you want to elect as the Government"
Posh wrote:However change needs to tied to compulsory voting. It is a joke that people in this country don't undertake their democratic duty. People died for the vote and are still dying around the world today for the right. Ignorance, stupidity and a lack of responsibilty, reasons much of our society is suffering is the reason. We shouldn't pander to their ignorance we should force people to vote and offer none of the above as an alternative on the ballot paper. We should then work to overhaul the electoral laws and provide a better system.
Posh wrote:However change needs to tied to compulsory voting. It is a joke that people in this country don't undertake their democratic duty. People died for the vote and are still dying around the world today for the right. Ignorance, stupidity and a lack of responsibilty, reasons much of our society is suffering is the reason. We shouldn't pander to their ignorance we should force people to vote and offer none of the above as an alternative on the ballot paper. We should then work to overhaul the electoral laws and provide a better system.
wijit wrote:But it's not their democratic duty to vote, it's their democratic right to choose to vote or not.
P/T Indie wrote:The smaller parties will get all the 2nd votes as a Labour supporters will never vote Tory and vice versa so they will go for the other parties.
goneshrimping wrote:FPTP asks the question "who do you want to elect as the Government"
No it doesn't.
marky wrote:You keep counting until there are only 2 candidates left, one of whom will always get more than 50%.
Heysham_Shrimp wrote:goneshrimping wrote:FPTP asks the question "who do you want to elect as the Government"
No it doesn't.
well it might not say that on the ballot paper but when we go into a voting booth we have one vote only and we vote for the party we want to see running the country.
Heinz wrote:marky wrote:You keep counting until there are only 2 candidates left, one of whom will always get more than 50%.
Sorry you're right. It's 50% or more of the votes remaining.
Which makes AV even more stupid, as loads of voters could have no 2nd preference, and have their cards discarded. The winner, who could have attracted well below 50% in the first round will turn out to have less than 50% eventual support(!) over an already poor turnout.
What sort of system is that?
Heinz wrote:Had to work hard to stay awake before getting there, but I'm onboard with that.
Heinz wrote:marky wrote:You keep counting until there are only 2 candidates left, one of whom will always get more than 50%.
Sorry you're right. It's 50% or more of the votes remaining.
Which makes AV even more stupid, as loads of voters could have no 2nd preference, and have their cards discarded. The winner, who could have attracted well below 50% in the first round will turn out to have less than 50% eventual support(!) over an already poor turnout.
What sort of system is that?
bigreddog wrote:My opposition isn't the kind of politics that AV means but the kind of politicians it would produce, the kind who say nothing to upset anyone at all, and end up saying zero. it's not a victory for blue, red or yellow, but a victory for beige. that's why I'm voting no.
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