One Shrimps fan who won't be at Barnet....

[Plain Peter]

There was also the small matter of $50 billion (Approaching $1000 Billion in todays terms) of finance provided by the USA to Britain during WWII through the Lend lease Act.

But wasn't that to support the war effort?

[Dazzer]

There was also the small matter of $50 billion (Approaching $1000 Billion in todays terms) of finance provided by the USA to Britain during WWII through the Lend lease Act.

But wasn't that to support the war effort?

It was mate.

Apologies, I thought that was the point you were making.

[shrimper]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366673/Japan-tsunami-earthquake-British-teacher-hero-Robert-Bailey-saved-class.html


And another Shrimps fan who would normally have been at Barnet... reporter David Jones - Morecambe lad now working for the Mail. He has been spending a bit of time with Daz and the crew over there.

Oh - and Heinz - I can't be bothered to debate your point mate, you just carry on.

[Plain Peter]

It was mate.
Apologies, I thought that was the point you were making.

Perhaps I should have written 'war machine', as 'war effort' sounds as though it could have been something enjoyable.
Anyhow, millions gave up their tomorrow so we could enjoy our today, and just look at the mess the world is in. Visiting the immaculately kept Commonwealth War Graves around the world always make me shake my head with a fear tears when I see the graves of unknown soldiers/sailors/airmen, with that inscription of the sacrifice they made for us. Was it worth it!

[Sammy h]

Peter, do you ever post about Morecambe fc?

[Plain Peter]

Peter, do you ever post about Morecambe fc?

Off topic mate.
I don't post much about the club/team because I'm an exile, and 5 or 6 away games + a couple of home games (if I'm lucky) a season is my whack. Expensive whack too, with overnight stays thrown in.
I suppose I could jump on the bandwagon and join in with a bit of slagging the current team off, but prefer no to.
I'm far better suited to topical O/T stuff, even though I'm much maligned and misunderstood. I like to think I can balance off an argument, or better still create an imbalance and more fruitier discussion

[morecambegeek]

Anyhow, millions gave up their tomorrow so we could enjoy our today, and just look at the mess the world is in.

I wonder what those soldiers would make of your attitude in this thread to the aid effort in Japan.

[Plain Peter]

I wonder what those soldiers would make of your attitude in this thread to the aid effort in Japan.

How many times do I have to say that I haven't got any problem with specialist emergency teams being deployed anywhere when they're needed? Financial Aid is a different matter, and I've uttered my piece on that too, ie I'd have reservations, which is different to saying I oppose Financial Aid. I haven't made light of the earthquake or tsunami have I?
I imagine that most of our brave war dead would agree with me.
So I don't know what your problem is.

[George Dawes]

Anyhow, millions gave up their tomorrow so we could enjoy our today, and just look at the mess the world is in.

I wonder what those soldiers would make of your attitude in this thread to the aid effort in Japan.

speaking from my fathers point of view who's eldest brother who died in a Japanese POW camp in WW2 a lot of the soldiers from back then your referring to hated the Japanese and just thought of them as a ancient nation of Evil Barbarians who made the Nazi's look like tooth fairy's with there torcher/murder techniques and they have only recently apologized to the UK as a nation for the treatment of our POW and ignorance to the Geneva convention treaty agreement.


i could go on and write a essay with evidence on this subject but its common knowledge to most people who know there WW2 history..


but that was then this is now they do need our help.

[morecambegeek]

Anyhow, millions gave up their tomorrow so we could enjoy our today, and just look at the mess the world is in.

I wonder what those soldiers would make of your attitude in this thread to the aid effort in Japan.

speaking from my fathers point of view who's eldest brother who died in a Japanese POW camp in WW2 a lot of the soldiers from back then your referring to hated the Japanese and just thought of them as a ancient nation of Evil Barbarians who made the Nazi's look like tooth fairy's with there torcher/murder techniques and they have only recently apologized to the UK as a nation for the treatment of our POW and ignorance to the Geneva convention treaty agreement.


i could go on and write a essay with evidence on this subject but its common knowledge to most people who know there WW2 history..


but that was then this is now they do need our help.

That's not the point I was making it, and I think your last line acknowledges that.

Ignoring nationality, and the actions of the past, which have nothing to do with this, would the soldiers who died for our freedom condone our looking away because a country is perceived as being richer than us? would they ****.

[Plain Peter]

Ignoring nationality, and the actions of the past, which have nothing to do with this, would the soldiers who died for our freedom condone our looking away because a country is perceived as being richer than us? would they ****.

Probably No! But who knows? Satisfied??

[marky]

Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? The UK were the recipients of a total of $3,297,000,000 between 1948 and 1951 to help with the rebuilding after WWII. Once again, Peter talking out of his a**e!

[Plain Peter]

Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? The UK were the recipients of a total of $3,297,000,000 between 1948 and 1951 to help with the rebuilding after WWII. Once again, Peter talking out of his a**e!

WWII ended in 1945.
Nearly 3 years later the Yanks agreed a cunning plan.
The Marshall Plan was essentially intended to keep post-war Western European nations within the capitalist world.
The Marshall Plan was intended to dominate those economies.
Every transaction was arranged to provide not only immediate profits for specific US banks, finance corporations, investment trusts and industries, but to make the European nations dependent on the United States.

Just thought I'd put a bit of balance to your posting before I go and insert another suppository up my bum

[Keith]

Okay, feel free to start a separate thread to discuss Japan's economic recovery.

I'm pleased and proud that there are men & women like Darren & Les who are willing to drop everything and bravely rush off to try and bring safety and relief to people who have been hit by disaster. And let's not forget that Japanese search & rescue teams were among the first to arrive in Christchurch.

[Plain Peter]

Okay, feel free to start a separate thread to discuss Japan's economic recovery.

Love to, but I know where it'll end up.

I'm pleased and proud that there are men & women like Darren & Les who are willing to drop everything and bravely rush off to try and bring safety and relief to people who have been hit by disaster. And let's not forget that Japanese search & rescue teams were among the first to arrive in Christchurch.

Are these teams completely self sufficient when they arrive in the country, or do they rely on full logistical support from their 'host'? If it's the latter, and in Japans case a scene of complete and utter devestation covering a vast area, then surely Japans resources would have already been stretched to breaking point. Could this have made the British team as much a burden as a help? Whereas in the case of Christchurch, the devastation was much more localised, and much less difficult to manage.

Also, once on site, who is responsible for the safety and possible evacuation of small foreign rescue teams if it all becomes too dangerous for them to be there?

[HALMA 1983]

Respect to any human being helping another in his ultimate hour of need regardless of money issues or the sins of their forefathers, Someone in my distant family was out fighting the Japs in WW2 and i'm sure he'd be looking down today and thinking the same as I

Help these innocent people for it might be sooner than you think that we might be facing the same fate, money is being wasted on a daily basis on war and fighting so why not make good of it and do something positive for once!

[Plain Peter]

Help these innocent people for it might be sooner than you think that we might be facing the same fate, money is being wasted on a daily basis on war and fighting so why not make good of it and do something positive for once!

There's help and there's help.
If help, no matter how well intentioned, becomes a burden on already stretched resources, then it ceases to become help and turns into a burden.
Everyone blames the FCO, but on the ground, due to the enormity of the disaster, they will have been like headless chickens, unable to cope but easy to blame!

[Sammy h]

Give up Peter, nobody wants to argue with you anymore.

xxxxxxx

[Plain Peter]

Give up Peter, nobody wants to argue with you anymore.

It's a discussion Sammy, what I've said is relevant.
I hate one sided arguments, whether I'm right, wrong, or make a total axse of myself. If it's the latter I'll hold my hand up.
What you've said is basically "shut-up!"
Sorry mate, I'll carry on
If this ends up as the last posting on this thread then I'll draw my own conclusions.

[Sammy h]

Give up Peter, nobody wants to argue with you anymore.

It's a discussion Sammy, what I've said is relevant.
I hate one sided arguments, whether I'm right, wrong, or make a total axse of myself. If it's the latter I'll hold my hand up.
What you've said is basically "shut-up!"
Sorry mate, I'll carry on
If this ends up as the last posting on this thread then I'll draw my own conclusions.

Your asking for trouble now!

xoxoxox

[mrpotatohead]

the original reason for this post was to draw attention to darren kyles good nature, bravery,selflessness and compassion, not someone doggedly wanting the last word

wether anyone thinks its right or wrong to help fellow human beings who were not around in ww2 anyway is pointless, we all drive around in japanese and german cars, someone put a picture of a nice audi on here the other day

[Plain Peter]

I was hoping I wouldn't get down to this, but...
Our Armed Forces do what they do, where they do, when and whenever they're told, without any consideration about H&E.
They get precious little thanks.

Last Thursday a bloke drowned in a 2 foot deep boating lake in Gosport. I know it, coz I live there, no tsunami, just a kids boating lake.
It was lunchtime.
999 were called, fire and emergency arrived pdq, but they never had the right certification to go into the water - 2 foot deep, no tsunami, no sticklebacks either!
Stood around, doing flip all.
25 minutes later the right team, with the right creditation to enter a kids paddling pool turned up.
The bloke was dead.
25 minutes earlier, who knows!

[matty]

Peter, stop turning this thread into one of your personal rants about what you think is wrong with the world - show a little respect.
If you want to talk about things that are happening in that shit hole of a town you call home then start a thread just for it, same goes for your work history.
I find the way you've twisted and turned this thread in to the "Heinz wants to have a rant and the last word" show really disrespectful to both Darren and Les.

[Plain Peter]

Peter, stop turning this thread into one of your personal rants about what you think is wrong with the world - show a little respect.
If you want to talk about things that are happening in that shit hole of a town you call home then start a thread just for it, same goes for your work history.
I find the way you've twisted and turned this thread in to the "Heinz wants to have a rant and the last word" show really disrespectful to both Darren and Les.

I joined this thread with this, and hoped to end it at...

There's no lack of humanity in Mark's posting at all.
This country has been suffering a slow, ongoing and probably irreversible earthquake since the General Election in 1997! There was a temporary halt last year, with a few after-shocks since. Now it seems that the stupid British voter wants the earthquake to pick up speed again so we can have the 'good times' back by spending yet more money that we haven't got. The consequences will be as bad for future generations as any earthquake.
I'm sure Mark would have got his points across more acceptably in conversation.

...the fact that I got drawn further into this thread isn't my fault. If someone has a go then I'll react. I'm sure Shrimper will agree with that.

I've got absolute respect for emergency services in whatever circumstances. It's the red-tape and the Encyclopedia Britannica proportions of bureaucracy forced upon us by the Labour Government that have to be jumped through that grate me. The FCO of the current government are still stuck by those loony rules, and have to protect themselves.

I don't like Gosport either, but hopefully not for much longer

[mrpotatohead]

to the tune, here we go. i suggest

DAZ AND LES, DAZ AND LES DAZ AND LES!
DAZ AND LES, DAZ AND LES DAZ AND LES!
DAZ AND LES, DAZ AND LES !