Shrimp Ram wrote:Just thought i'd ask, or does two wins change everything ??
Shrimp Ram wrote:What always bothers me is even when a manager gets a change in fortune, The doom and gloom squad are still waiting for a slip up to say "told you so - etc"
I honestly believe Sammy is now in the 'No win' time of his reign at this club.
Where does he go from here I ask ???
marky No.1 wrote:Shrimp Ram wrote:What always bothers me is even when a manager gets a change in fortune, The doom and gloom squad are still waiting for a slip up to say "told you so - etc"
I honestly believe Sammy is now in the 'No win' time of his reign at this club.
Where does he go from here I ask ???
Bury, I would think.
marky No.1 wrote:25 years this year I believe. His job was apparently saved by that Mark Robins goal. Maybe he will be sacked in the morning after todays performance, tactics and result
Surprised Ben has been able to contain himself .
marky wrote:Unlike many of the posters on here, I prefer to maintain a level of consistency.
marky wrote:We could win every game between now and the end of the season and I would still believe that Sammy McIlroy isn't the right manager for the long term future of the club...
marky wrote:I would still believe that Sammy McIlroy isn't the right manager for the long term future of the club without a complete overhaul of his recruitment policies and methods. It's a problem that has been somewhat masked over for the last few seasons but it has to be the biggest lesson we take from this one. We need a long term plan for player recruitment. I'm not sure that's necessarily something Sammy buys into. If he does, he's not proved it thus far.
marky wrote:Unlike many of the posters on here, I prefer to maintain a level of consistency. We could win every game between now and the end of the season and I would still believe that Sammy McIlroy isn't the right manager for the long term future of the club without a complete overhaul of his recruitment policies and methods. It's a problem that has been somewhat masked over for the last few seasons but it has to be the biggest lesson we take from this one. We need a long term plan for player recruitment. I'm not sure that's necessarily something Sammy buys into. If he does, he's not proved it thus far.
Keith wrote:Yup, and that 'consistency' is never happy, never satisfied.
If we win every game from now until the end of the season, we'd be in Division One (twelve wins would definitely result in a play off position, then the next three wins to go up). If little ol' Morecambe was in Division One (playing Preston North End a couple of times in league matches) I'd be able to over-look some shortcomings and enjoy the ride! It doesn't mean I wouldn't be critical sometimes (I have been before, no doubt I will be again) BUT I'll be delighted with our achievements.
Keith wrote:If Sammy Mac was perfect, he wouldn't be managing Morecambe! He has his faults, and yes, some of his recruitment/scouting/youth development in my most humble opinion could be improved. Perhaps that's an area for delegation? But to say the 'problem' has "been somewhat masked over for the last few seasons" makes it sound like you were thoroughly pee'd off with last season's FOURTH PLACE because you wanted to revel in his shortcomings. Fourth place finish didn't 'mask' areas for development, they suggested that there was MORE TO COME! Yes, as I say, I too believe that there are weaknesses that can be addressed but even if they had been, I don't think we'd have finished higher than fourth... do you? "Long term future"? I'm happy that we've a board and management that have delivered on & off the field improvements year on year for about 15 years, I think we can trust that between them, our "long term future" is safer than most. European football? Premiership? Probably not. But a safe "long term future"? Not a major worry.
keith wrote:It's interesting, you never give Sammy McIlroy any credit, and you never gave Jim Harvey any credit. Have you ever given ANY Morecambe manager credit? Les Rigby, Don Cubbage? Leighton James?
marky wrote:Unlike many of the posters on here, I prefer to maintain a level of consistency. We could win every game between now and the end of the season and I would still believe that Sammy McIlroy isn't the right manager for the long term future of the club without a complete overhaul of his recruitment policies and methods. It's a problem that has been somewhat masked over for the last few seasons but it has to be the biggest lesson we take from this one. We need a long term plan for player recruitment. I'm not sure that's necessarily something Sammy buys into. If he does, he's not proved it thus far.
The Fury wrote:You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. He's been here long enough now that his flaws, particularly concerning player recruitment, are all too evident and cannot continue.
Sammy h wrote:Can I just point out that we haven't turned it around yet, unless two wins on the bounce counts as turning our whole season around?
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