steve mfc wrote:A change of manager doesn't necessarily mean a change in fortunes, i don't know the statistics but i would imagine that the percentage of new managers that fail to turn round a club that is struggling is fairly high.
If this was Sammy's first season then i wouldn't hesitate in saying that he should go, BUT you have to take into consideration what he has achieved at this club.
If as some people on here insist that everything is the managers fault and the blame is laid entirely at his door then the flip side of that is that Sammy was entirely responsible for the success of the previous seasons.
My only concern is if Sammy is up for the fight, we know he offered to resign earlier in the season, if the the players sense he is not up for it anymore then he should go. However if he is fully committed to the job ahead then i hope he stays. Lets get through this season regroup in the summer and come back stronger next season.
Christies Child wrote:steve mfc wrote:A change of manager doesn't necessarily mean a change in fortunes, i don't know the statistics but i would imagine that the percentage of new managers that fail to turn round a club that is struggling is fairly high.
If this was Sammy's first season then i wouldn't hesitate in saying that he should go, BUT you have to take into consideration what he has achieved at this club.
If as some people on here insist that everything is the managers fault and the blame is laid entirely at his door then the flip side of that is that Sammy was entirely responsible for the success of the previous seasons.
My only concern is if Sammy is up for the fight, we know he offered to resign earlier in the season, if the the players sense he is not up for it anymore then he should go. However if he is fully committed to the job ahead then i hope he stays. Lets get through this season regroup in the summer and come back stronger next season.
With regards to 'what he has achieved' that is exactly the reason why I'd like him to go with dignity and head held high. We can't retain a manager purely on what he HAS done in the past. It's now that counts which leads on to your valid point about 'being up for the fight'.
For me it's as much about motivation and I'm not sure he has that any longer, which is sad but possibly true. I'm also concerned that he may have lost the 'dressing room'. It's well documented of his spats with individuals and one in particular. This could have repercussions throughout the squad for all we know.
Sammy has played at the highest level. It would be a crime on his CV if he was to lead us into the Conference; something that I don't want to happen to the man or more importantly to our club.
steve mfc wrote:Christies Child wrote:steve mfc wrote:A change of manager doesn't necessarily mean a change in fortunes, i don't know the statistics but i would imagine that the percentage of new managers that fail to turn round a club that is struggling is fairly high.
If this was Sammy's first season then i wouldn't hesitate in saying that he should go, BUT you have to take into consideration what he has achieved at this club.
If as some people on here insist that everything is the managers fault and the blame is laid entirely at his door then the flip side of that is that Sammy was entirely responsible for the success of the previous seasons.
My only concern is if Sammy is up for the fight, we know he offered to resign earlier in the season, if the the players sense he is not up for it anymore then he should go. However if he is fully committed to the job ahead then i hope he stays. Lets get through this season regroup in the summer and come back stronger next season.
With regards to 'what he has achieved' that is exactly the reason why I'd like him to go with dignity and head held high. We can't retain a manager purely on what he HAS done in the past. It's now that counts which leads on to your valid point about 'being up for the fight'.
For me it's as much about motivation and I'm not sure he has that any longer, which is sad but possibly true. I'm also concerned that he may have lost the 'dressing room'. It's well documented of his spats with individuals and one in particular. This could have repercussions throughout the squad for all we know.
Sammy has played at the highest level. It would be a crime on his CV if he was to lead us into the Conference; something that I don't want to happen to the man or more importantly to our club.
But you would be prepared to bring in a manager based on what he has done in the past or in Jimbo's case little managerial experience.
Sammy h wrote:A lot of fans want to keep Sammy because he is a big name???? Why?
Keith wrote: if we had Sir Alex Ferguson managing us with Arsene Wenger as his assistant
Morecambe Jack wrote:It's not that experience is integral Sam but you have to consider whether it is a risk worth taking when we are not yet safe. I don't want anyone to take us down but I would be mortified if it was Jimbo that took us down, moreso than Sammy. I want Jimbo to manage this club as much as the next bloke but only when the time is right, and that time is not now. And actually, I think Jimbo would agree because he has said himself he just wants to play - and that is what I want too: Jimbo back in the heart of our defence and saving us from relegation that way.
Also, I don't believe that Sammy has lost the dressing room at all and its just those who want rid of him throwing out tosh to back up their argument. Someone has already brought up the Craig Stanley debacle when he has publically said there was no rift (bar one fall out in the past, which is nothing in the 5 years he was here).
On another note despite all that nonsense you dreamed up CC, I actually believe that you would love Sammy to get the sack.
Keith wrote:Sammy h wrote:A lot of fans want to keep Sammy because he is a big name???? Why?
It's not about him being a 'big name', its about whether we take a gamble on someone new at this time. And it IS A GAMBLE! Also, Sammy has a proven track record with Morecambe FC. This season has been appalling right from last summer when everyone could see that The Globe wouldn't be finished on time, through to the pre-season when the club finally noticed too, to the turgid start to the season and the disappointment felt by many regarding the 'match day experience', right through until now. The most common opinion I've heard expressed (and have expressed myself too) is 'let's get this season finished and start again'. But this is our first season where we've struggled under Sammy Mac so shouldn't he be given a chance to turn things around? I do think that we will stay up, mainly because I think there are a couple of other teams that are substantially worse than us, but it will be a close run thing.
Sammy MacIlroy has never endeared himself to fans on a 'personal' level and has, rightly or wrongly, at times given the impression that he treats fans with disdain and contempt. This may be far from the truth, but as I say, it is the impression. I think that is why some fans have turned relatively quickly. John Coleman, if he was Morecambe manager, could be in exactly the same position as we are now and I'm sure no-one would be calling for his head (okay, a few would but if we had Sir Alex Ferguson managing us with Arsene Wenger as his assistant they would still be moaning).
I think we hold out until the summer and we build from there. The board sit with the manager and work out why this season was so bad and how he intends to avoid having another one in 2011/12, then they make a decision then.
However, I reserve the right to change my opinion in a couple of games time, if we're still losing!
Christies Child wrote:Morecambe Jack wrote:Not a number of SVs CC, just you. Anyone who buys your nonsense is deluded. While your support for the club is unquestionable, you have never liked the manager since his appointment and have only infrequently given him some praise which you are always careful to ensure is given in the context of you not liking him. It winds me up because I want to read you supporting the club more, not slagging off Sammy at every opportunity. In the match day chat room on Tuesday night every single post you made was a dig at Sammy for this, that and the other. I'd have much more respect for you if you cut that down and started showing some encouragment because its bad enough having to listen to us conceding goals left, right and centre without having to read your depressive drivel too.[/quote]
.....you could of course choose to ignore it if it winds you up so much.......
As for not liking Sammy, WRONG it's the style of soccer that I don't like like!
Bare Ben wrote:Christies Child wrote:Morecambe Jack wrote:Not a number of SVs CC, just you. Anyone who buys your nonsense is deluded. While your support for the club is unquestionable, you have never liked the manager since his appointment and have only infrequently given him some praise which you are always careful to ensure is given in the context of you not liking him. It winds me up because I want to read you supporting the club more, not slagging off Sammy at every opportunity. In the match day chat room on Tuesday night every single post you made was a dig at Sammy for this, that and the other. I'd have much more respect for you if you cut that down and started showing some encouragment because its bad enough having to listen to us conceding goals left, right and centre without having to read your depressive drivel too.[/quote]
.....you could of course choose to ignore it if it winds you up so much.......
As for not liking Sammy, WRONG it's the style of soccer that I don't like like!
What's soccer?
shrimpnsave wrote:Whos muzzer?
RedRedWine wrote:Still calling fellow fans that you don't even know a 'Wanker' CC? The last crumb of your credibility vanished yesterday when you opened your trap once too often, then sat there and watched like the sack of shite that you are as the fellow supporter and season ticket holder was asked to leave the ground. You'd do well to apologise at the next home game.
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