durhamshrimp wrote:Him and his mates will make a fortune in contracts though.
Its becoming more Them and Us everyday with this lot.
Peter wrote:Shame the Coalition had to take on a £Trillion debt from Mr Brown though.
Posh wrote:Peter wrote:Shame the Coalition had to take on a £Trillion debt from Mr Brown though.
Surely that's Lloyds TSB, Royal Bank of Scotland, Bradford & Bingley, Northern Rock and Alliance & Leicester. Or did I imagine there was a global financial banking crisis that meant everyone of the Western economies having to bail out a large number of their banks?
Our debt ratios (debt to GDP) under Brown and now are still lower than any G7 economy bar Germany.
P/T Indie wrote:Can the banks be blamed for the overspend at the Ministry of Defence for example?
Posh wrote:With regards to the NHS I think people should be aware of what's about to happen. Now you may agree with it, be against it or don't believe it's going to happen but this is my view and we'll see what actually takes place.
Tories: We're scrapping PCTs (Primary Care Trusts) so we can put decisions into the hands of your local GP, the person who knows you best and means decisions at a truly local level.
My view: In Hiillindon, West London, they're one of the test areas. Three PCTs are being abolished and one super-commissioning body has been appointed. This takes the process further away from GPs. The new body is not an NHS body an American healthcare firm. A form of privatisation already.
Tories: We're getting rid of unneeded beauracrats and expensive managers.
My view: PCT managers are (and will in future) being made redundant with big pay-offs, often as much or more than a year's salary. They are then being reappointed to a GP commissioning body the next day. Hundreds of millions will be spent on redundancies only to see these people running exactly the same services.
Tories: There will be no change to the running of the rest of the NHS bar improvements we've already announced.
My view: An organisation called Monitor, which oversees the commissioning of services has been told specifically that commissioning bodies must tender those services to multiple provides and take the best deal. Let's say Grandma needs a hip replacement - a fairly straight forward procedure. GP tells his American owned commissioning body to buy the procedure. American firm gives two choices the RLI and a private hospital in Preston owned by exactly the same American firm.
They go with the American firm because they massively undercut the NHS by doing this work for a loss. This continues until your local hospital has to stop offering the same procedure. Eventually local publically owned hospitals only undertake accident and emergency and high risk procedure forcing the hospital to close. The American hospital then increases its prices massively so it can recoup its losses and build massive profits.
Within 10 years the NHS will be a purchasing body at the GP stage. Everything else will be private. Private firms, like the big american one, will then offer insurance so that you can jump lengthening queues. Eventually getting an operation on the NHS will be a nightmare and the only option will be to go private. Finally the complete privatisation of the NHS. The poor getting no care and medical expenses dominating our lives.
This is happening right now.
Posh wrote:P/T Indie wrote:Can the banks be blamed for the overspend at the Ministry of Defence for example?
Incredible as it may sound they can. The MOD invested in a number of projects like refuelling tankers; barracks refurbishments; selling all the MOD housing and leasing them back; satellites; and loads of other stuff costing billions. Instead of funding this through the public purse they used PFI and, errrr, borrowed money from the banks. Most of the schemes were so badly thought through they ended up costing billions more than if publicly funded.
P/T Indie wrote:Posh wrote:P/T Indie wrote:Can the banks be blamed for the overspend at the Ministry of Defence for example?
Incredible as it may sound they can. The MOD invested in a number of projects like refuelling tankers; barracks refurbishments; selling all the MOD housing and leasing them back; satellites; and loads of other stuff costing billions. Instead of funding this through the public purse they used PFI and, errrr, borrowed money from the banks. Most of the schemes were so badly thought through they ended up costing billions more than if publicly funded.
So does that mean we never had the money in the first place for these projects so the government took out a massive mortgage?
Peter wrote:Anyone watch Questiontime last night?
Clark Carlisle (Burnley footballer) was excellent, as was Simon Hughes and that Tory minister.
George Galloway was George Galloway.
Alastair Campbell was in his sights for the duration, and at times looked sad and lonely.Should be on BBC iPlayer.
Thank goodness Ed Balls has now got the job he craved.
Why was it handed to a financial novice in the first place?
Two Ed's are better than one, but hopefully it'll only be opposition.
Posh wrote:With regards to the NHS I think people should be aware of what's about to happen. Now you may agree with it, be against it or don't believe it's going to happen but this is my view and we'll see what actually takes place.
Tories: We're scrapping PCTs (Primary Care Trusts) so we can put decisions into the hands of your local GP, the person who knows you best and means decisions at a truly local level.
My view: In Hiillindon, West London, they're one of the test areas. Three PCTs are being abolished and one super-commissioning body has been appointed. This takes the process further away from GPs. The new body is not an NHS body an American healthcare firm. A form of privatisation already.
Tories: We're getting rid of unneeded beauracrats and expensive managers.
My view: PCT managers are (and will in future) being made redundant with big pay-offs, often as much or more than a year's salary. They are then being reappointed to a GP commissioning body the next day. Hundreds of millions will be spent on redundancies only to see these people running exactly the same services.
Tories: There will be no change to the running of the rest of the NHS bar improvements we've already announced.
My view: An organisation called Monitor, which oversees the commissioning of services has been told specifically that commissioning bodies must tender those services to multiple provides and take the best deal. Let's say Grandma needs a hip replacement - a fairly straight forward procedure. GP tells his American owned commissioning body to buy the procedure. American firm gives two choices the RLI and a private hospital in Preston owned by exactly the same American firm.
They go with the American firm because they massively undercut the NHS by doing this work for a loss. This continues until your local hospital has to stop offering the same procedure. Eventually local publically owned hospitals only undertake accident and emergency and high risk procedure forcing the hospital to close. The American hospital then increases its prices massively so it can recoup its losses and build massive profits.
Within 10 years the NHS will be a purchasing body at the GP stage. Everything else will be private. Private firms, like the big american one, will then offer insurance so that you can jump lengthening queues. Eventually getting an operation on the NHS will be a nightmare and the only option will be to go private. Finally the complete privatisation of the NHS. The poor getting no care and medical expenses dominating our lives.
This is happening right now.
Christies Child wrote:I've no problem with him having different views than others, but at least let them be allowed to express those opinions.
The Marksman wrote:Yes to pretty much all of that, except you could replace the word "Tories" with "Whoever is in government." This stuff happens no matter who's in charge - the civil servants who come up with the policies in Whitehall (ex-bankers, ex-industry, ex-big-pharma) don't change when the government changes, so they always end up happening.
Peter wrote:Anyone watch Questiontime last night?
Clark Carlisle (Burnley footballer) was excellent, as was [u]Simon Hughes[/u] and that Tory minister.
George Galloway was George Galloway.
Alastair Campbell was in his sights for the duration, and at times looked sad and lonely.
Should be on BBC iPlayer.
Thank goodness Ed Balls has now got the job he craved.
Why was it handed to a financial novice in the first place?
Two Ed's are better than one, but hopefully it'll only be opposition.
Christies Child wrote:Peter wrote:Anyone watch Questiontime last night?
Clark Carlisle (Burnley footballer) was excellent, as was Simon Hughes and that Tory minister.
George Galloway was George Galloway.
Alastair Campbell was in his sights for the duration, and at times looked sad and lonely.Should be on BBC iPlayer.
Thank goodness Ed Balls has now got the job he craved.
Why was it handed to a financial novice in the first place?
Two Ed's are better than one, but hopefully it'll only be opposition.
Alastair Campbell must be the world's best at 'overtalking' everybody. He just wouldn't allow anybody else to have their say without interupting.
I've no problem with him having different views than others, but at least let them be allowed to express those opinions.
durhamshrimp wrote:Everytime I see a Lib Dem on TV they always look embarrassed, ashamed and defensive about what they're doing, like they know it's wrong. They had all these promises before the election only to repay their voters by whoring themselves out as a crutch to prop up a Tory government who couldn't win by themselves (despite how bad a state the country was supposedly in). Seduced by the prospect of a whif of power, pathetic.
Posh wrote:Our debt ratios (debt to GDP) under Brown and now are still lower than any G7 economy bar Germany.
Posh wrote:My view: PCT managers are (and will in future) being made redundant with big pay-offs, often as much or more than a year's salary. They are then being reappointed to a GP commissioning body the next day. Hundreds of millions will be spent on redundancies only to see these people running exactly the same services.
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