One sided ITV commentary

[durhamshrimp]

Love Liverpool don't they.

Beglin is an embarrassment, it was a penalty but his view was obviously clouded by being an ex Scouse player.

[shrimper]

Aye - made a fool of himself. Believe me I have no love for Mr Webb's reffing at OT but I thought he got both those decisions right.

The only comment I'd make is that there was scope to give something different for each of them (he could have booked Berbatov for diving and could have given Gerrard a yellow) and I just wonder what would have happened had it been a Liverpool player for the pen/dive and a Utd one for the tackle/red card.

[RedRedWine1]

Red card every day of the week, but it was never a penalty. Berbatov dived, it was embarrassing to watch. In games like that you want them to be settled by a piece of sublime skill or brilliant play, not some big nosed Bulgarian chucking himself on the floor. They had a genuine penalty shout in the second half during the scramble of shots. Liverpool can't complain as Gerrard is possibly the biggest diver going.

In games like that you've got to be 100% sure. Mr. Webb was to far away for that to be the case and the award of a penalty was a complete guess. As Big Sam noted, the linesman who had a clear view of the incident gave nothing.

[George Dawes]

if the same challange/incident had been at Anfield with Torres infront of the kop i have no doubt it would have been the same


and referees are instructed to give straight red cards for two footed challenges, Gerrard as himself to blame great captain!

[ezz]

Why does Webb always ref uniteds big games and botch it up? (on purpose)
Never a penalty, gerrard gave Webb every opportunity to send him off and he did.
Carrick didn't help acting like he was hurt either.

[halftimeresults]

http://www.spankthenews.com/html/articl ... ?ArtID=357

[morecambe mick]

I wonder, did anyone see the same challenge by a Crawley Town player on Robbie Savage last night?
Yellow card. So the argument for it being a red everyday doesn't really stand.

However, like shrimper, I can understand the ref giving either.

[Welshrimp]

I'm in a minority of one on the Gerrard incident. Carrick was not in possession. For me, Gerrard got to the ball and Carrick crashed into his legs. I do appreciate that Gerrard was airborne, and that's what sealed it in the ref's mind on this occasion. But there was enough there for the red not to look like a black and white decision for me.

[Plain Peter]

But there was enough there for the red not to look like a black and white decision for me.

Solution, don't fly in with two feet.

[marky No.1]

http://www.spankthenews.com/html/article-detail.php?ArtID=357

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Prefer this one myself

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[ezz]

But there was enough there for the red not to look like a black and white decision for me.

Solution, don't fly in with two feet.

Solution, dont fly in with two feet if your a liverpool player. If your fabio its ok.
At first I thought Meireles was being a wimp but after watching it again he'd have had his leg broke if he put it under fabio's challenge.
Funny enough 5 seconds after it, it led to Gerrard being sent off, stranger things have happened when Webb refs for fergie

Anyone see Babel's pic of Webb that he's in trouble for?.....excellent!

[Sammy h]

Funny how all the Mancs think it was a pen and a sending off, and all the Scousers think it was a dive and a yellow...suppose that's fickle football fans

[Christies Child]

Funny how all the Mancs think it was a pen and a sending off, and all the Scousers think it was a dive and a yellow...suppose that's fickle football fans

Nah....just shows how thick some scousers can be.....with the exception of Jimbo and Co obviously!

[George Dawes]

der dey dont do dat dont dey?

[Bare Ben]

As a Morecambe fan, I'd say that it probably was a red, but I have never seen a clearer dive in my life.

[Sammy h]

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kggmARak8cA

[marky No.1]

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the 10 referees and 5 linesman are said to be devastated

[Bare Ben]

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kggmARak8cA

To be fair, there is actually contact there, it's just he goes down about an hour late.

[shrimper]

Funny how all the Mancs think it was a pen and a sending off, and all the Scousers think it was a dive and a yellow...suppose that's fickle football fans

As a neutral Spurs fan who has suffered at the hands of Mr Webb (and others) with appalling decisions at Old Trafford, believe me I have no bias when I said I thought he got both right.

Berbatov did go down late. But he was caught on the shins in the penalty box with the defender making no contact with the ball. That's a foul and a penalty. The ref could even have given it had he NOT gone down (waiting to see if any advantage accrued) if he thought the contact was enough to put him off his stride. Think of it like a shirt being pulled but the player not going down. It's still a foul.

And the Gerrard challenge was a reckless leap that had the potential to injure an opponent. And it's quite in order for the ref to give a straight red in those circumstances. Them's the laws of the game.

But I repeat, there was scope in both to give a different decision and I wonder whether he would had it been the other way (as he seemed to do when Rafael - one of the nastiest players in the league by the way - jumped with two feet at the ball).

[bigreddog]

Have to say I agree completely with all of that. I suspect the decisions may have been different if the other way round, but I wouldn't question whether Mr Webb was biased, and by the way the picture of him wearing a shirt may have been posted by babel but he didn't make it, he just drew attention to a bit of scouse humour. I just think it shows how intimidating or at leasr how much an influence a home crowd can be ( note to MBW stand for saturday)

For me I'd love to say the pen was a dive, and yes berba is a diving shit, but Danny Agger had no reason to even challenge for the ball and then he botched it up. so his own fault for not just seeing out the situation.

when it comes to the red card, I'm afraid stevie had both feet off the floor so cant be in control of the situation and I'm afraid that's a red these days, and I've been watching Liverpool since the 74 cup final. pains me to say it, but webb got both spot on. the one positive is that liverpool looked a lot better as a unit, King Kenny will turn it around and maybe this is a turning point for all the right reasons and we will forget about mr webb's decisions soon enough

[Bare Ben]

And there was me thinking you had to make contact with the player to foul him. Blatant dive and disgraceful decision that ruined the game after 31 seconds.

[shrimper]

He did make contact.

[Bare Ben]

No he didn't.

[Little Shrimp]

There was a small amount of contact but probably not enough to bring him down.

[Christies Child]

Get over it.

United won.

Wonder if the same cries of 'foul play' would have been aimed at a Liverpool player in a similar situation.

As for the ref, he earned the right to ref the World Cup final , so can't be that bad!