Morecambe Jack wrote:I'm a student and I haven't been involved in any of the protests at all and obviously condemn all the violence, although it is a very small number of people.
What is ridiculous is your attack on students as a whole gentlegiant just because we've followed a different path in life than yourself. You might have made yourself proud in life without going to Uni but what on Earth has that got to do with people going to university who have aspired to do so all their life? The loans we get are not adequate to live off anyway; I have friends whose loans did not even cover the cost of their accommodation so the theory that we "piss it up the wall" is wrong. Yes students enjoy themselves outside of study but so do any other people our age and like someone said, student spending is integral to local economies across the UK.
Your point that the skills students learn are never used has already been rejected by people giving examples of them using their degrees in work. There are also other transferable skills learnt at university which employers look for - obviously they can be obtained in other ways but that doesn't discredit the purpose of university. On the tax issue, of course we are not exempt in our first 12 months of working, that’s a ridiculous claim.
Your point about University being a luxury because “some people never made it to there [sic] GCSE's due to bullying” is also short sighted. There are many people at university who were bullied at school but still did well academically and came to university and had a fresh start. I lived with someone in first year who opening said that they were bullied throughout school and had little or no confidence because of it when they came to university. Honestly, you would not believe the transformation to now and that is all due to the university experience.
I also don’t think that this 12 month voluntary idea is necessary either, CC. Why should people have to volunteer for 12 months just to get into university? It is as if you are saying that students make no contribution to society at all. That’s an absolute joke. There are many societies at university which students get involved in to help the local community – I am a member of one at the University of Manchester. Many students spend a lot of their time helping the community and spend even more time and money fundraising for various charities. So actually, a lot of students do have a “flavour of the real world” and understand their “responsibilities to society”, and I take offense at you suggesting that we are in some sort of fantasy land.
although there is a drinking culture among students have you ever considered what this student culture does to the local economy (I'm taking drinking, shopping and use of local amenities? No? take a look at both Preston and Lancaster and tell me they would be the same or better places without students.
Peter wrote:Keith wrote: I want the best people in the best jobs rather than the people from the wealthiest families in the best jobs.Heysham_red wrote:and just in case anyone was interested in my drivel!
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/ ... -cipd.html
Good link H_r, cancels Keith out.
Morecambe Jack wrote:I also don’t think that this 12 month voluntary idea is necessary either, CC. Why should people have to volunteer for 12 months just to get into university?
Peter wrote:Keith wrote:The Dems have quite possibly made their party entirely defunct by backing this process. They are effectively saying that their manifesto is one of this is what we will do if you don't vote us in to power, if you do vote us in to power then we'll do as we are told.
What would Labour have done?
essex_shrimp wrote:
why cant people not fight regarding work and work themselves up the ladder like i plan to do .
Keith wrote:How does it cancel my comments out? My comment remains totally valid. I want the best people you want privileged people.
mrpotatohead wrote:a freind of mine put herself through uni by appearing as a model in asien babes several times as a model and still had to survive on pot noodles, god knows what she would have to resort to now the unprincipled libdems are selling their souls on a weekly basis
mrpotatohead wrote:the well paid individuals that got themselves educated pay back the nation by paying something called income tax, and soon to be raised, vat.
mrpotatohead wrote:Anyone on here who has kids on here at uni will know that the fees are the thin end of a big wedge, it costs caring parents a fortune to put their children through university, and the average student is not born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
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