Lloydie wrote:Bring back National Service!
Heysham_Shrimp wrote:It is not unreasonable for students to repay the loan for their education when they achieve a decent salary. A lot of self employed people have to take out bank loans etc in order to go into business and earn a living so why should students be immune from economics.
thegentlegiant wrote:...not all of us had that luxury so they should count there self as lucky, some people never made it to there GCSE's due to bullying or being raised in less deprived area's.
RedRedWine wrote:I thought a protest was supposed to achieve change, these violent exchanges and the vandalism of state property have ultimately changed nothing and cost the tax payer more money.
Keith wrote:thegentlegiant wrote:...not all of us had that luxury so they should count there self as lucky, some people never made it to there GCSE's due to bullying or being raised in less deprived area's.
And yet you think it is a good thing to make it harder for young people from deprived areas to go on to university? A 'luxury' item is generally something expensive. Rich people tend to have luxury items while the poorer people are, the less luxury items they will afford. So why make university even more of a luxury?
Why not make it something that is based upon ability rather than wallet?
DawZi wrote:my anser with all these bitter rebellious Scotish Irish Welsh lot what if England turned around and said well we dont want to be part of Britain anymore and they'd be like doh errrrrr we've not thought have that one. and then watch them all become like Albania
thegentlegiant wrote:...they get loans which they piss up the wall.
thegentlegiant wrote:...Most of them dont ever use there skills they have acquired!!!
Keith wrote:Heysham_Shrimp wrote:It is not unreasonable for students to repay the loan for their education when they achieve a decent salary. A lot of self employed people have to take out bank loans etc in order to go into business and earn a living so why should students be immune from economics.
But this is a frequently repeated nonsense! They DO pay for their education when they earn a decent salary... They have a decent salary, so they pay more tax! THAT is how they pay a return on their education.
I never went to university, worked all my adult life and I don't have children, so no vested interest, but I strongly believe that young people should be given every opportunity to continue their education. I want the best people in the best jobs rather than the people from the wealthiest families in the best jobs. I want to see an expansion of meritocracy rather than having the ladder taken further and further out of reach of those from the poorest families.
The Dems have quite possibly made their party entirely defunct by backing this process. They are effectively saying that their manifesto is one of this is what we will do if you don't vote us in to power, if you do vote us in to power then we'll do as we are told.
I don't agree with the riots, but it was always going to be a small group of militants rather than a representation of the majority of decent young people at universities. Remember the poll tax riots when the wicked witch was attacking the poor to feed the rich? Just because the rioting was wrong doesn't make the issue right.
Keith wrote:The Dems have quite possibly made their party entirely defunct by backing this process. They are effectively saying that their manifesto is one of this is what we will do if you don't vote us in to power, if you do vote us in to power then we'll do as we are told.
Heysham_red wrote:I support peaceful protests, even if the protest is against my beliefs. The ability to have freedom of speech should never be taken away. As a graduate I support the principles behind the reason to protest against the increase in student fees. But I cannot support any act of violence or vandalism which was clearly undertaken by some protesters yesterday/today.
the yobbish behaviour may or may not have been genuine protesters but people looking to cause trouble. In either case, they should have the book thrown at them because ultimately there were crimes committed.DawZi wrote:my anser with all these bitter rebellious Scotish Irish Welsh lot what if England turned around and said well we dont want to be part of Britain anymore and they'd be like doh errrrrr we've not thought have that one. and then watch them all become like Albania
What has this got to do with the protests? The change in fees affects every student in Britain. which is why there were peaceful protests in Glasgow yesterday.thegentlegiant wrote:...they get loans which they piss up the wall.
although there is a drinking culture among students have you ever considered what this student culture does to the local economy (I'm taking drinking, shopping and use of local amenities? No? take a look at both Preston and Lancaster and tell me they would be the same or better places without students.thegentlegiant wrote:...Most of them dont ever use there skills they have acquired!!!
WHAT???? can you prove this? Everyone in the room I work in has a degree. All if not most are in some kind of computer science or business. Guess what, we are software development company. Unless you can back up ridiculous statements like this then please don't post them.
Keith wrote:thegentlegiant wrote:...not all of us had that luxury so they should count there self as lucky, some people never made it to there GCSE's due to bullying or being raised in less deprived area's.
And yet you think it is a good thing to make it harder for young people from deprived areas to go on to university? A 'luxury' item is generally something expensive. Rich people tend to have luxury items while the poorer people are, the less luxury items they will afford. So why make university even more of a luxury?
Why not make it something that is based upon ability rather than wallet?
P/T Indie wrote:WHAT???? can you prove this? Everyone in the room I work in has a degree. All if not most are in some kind of computer science or business. Guess what, we are software development company. Unless you can back up ridiculous statements like this then please don't post them.
I believe students for the first 12 months of their working life currently don't pay tax
Heysham_red wrote:although there is a drinking culture among students have you ever considered what this student culture does to the local economy (I'm taking drinking, shopping and use of local amenities?) No? take a look at both Preston and Lancaster and tell me they would be the same or better places without students.
thegentlegiant wrote:they get loans which they piss up the wall
Duffman wrote: Certainly when I was a student and working part-time I go no tax relief whatsoever.
Keith wrote: I want the best people in the best jobs rather than the people from the wealthiest families in the best jobs.
Heysham_red wrote:and just in case anyone was interested in my drivel!
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