Westgate Wanderer wrote:You keep voting Labour mate.... how much did they put the country into debt??
Posh wrote:I could go on and mention things like cutting the benefits of those disabled people in care homes by 64%. But where would I end? Except to a plague of both their houses. Sickening.
Posh wrote:If you think Labour are responsible for the bank debt then who is responsible for it in Ireland, USA, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany and Greece to mention a few.
USA Shrimp wrote:If voting REALLY changed anything they wouldn't let us do it.
Jello Biafra
Posh wrote:That's very apparent over the last couple of weeks. Power is concentrated in an elite and in Western democracies that elite and it's way of life is rarely challenged (almost never through the ballot box where elections can still be bought).
Posh wrote:But when it is expect the full wrath of the state to fall on you. So if you're Wikileaks expect to be labelled a terrorist, have politicians in Canada and the US call for your assassination, pressure put on companies to close you down and censor you, and get allegations of sexual molestation against you.
Posh wrote:Meanwhile the Israelis kill enemies, the French put bombs on protestors boats and the Americans kidnap you in a foreign democracy and ship you overseas for a bit of light torture.
Beneath the state's velvet glove is an iron fist just waiting to get out.
marky No.1 wrote:I see Cadburys are moving some of their business to Switzerland to save paying British Tax. As more of the big fish continue to avoid paying one way or another, the rest of us have to pay more as shops continue to get boarded up.
Peter wrote:Posh wrote:If you think Labour are responsible for the bank debt then who is responsible for it in Ireland, USA, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany and Greece to mention a few.
The government of the day of course.
It should never have happened the way it did.
The collision didn't just happen, there was a long, long slippery slope.
The Labour governement did diddly about it, and even encouraged the stupid spend, lend and borrow mentatility.
Posh wrote:Peter wrote:Posh wrote:If you think Labour are responsible for the bank debt then who is responsible for it in Ireland, USA, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany and Greece to mention a few.
The government of the day of course.
It should never have happened the way it did.
The collision didn't just happen, there was a long, long slippery slope.
The Labour governement did diddly about it, and even encouraged the stupid spend, lend and borrow mentatility.
That's what the Tories would have you believe. In the USA the situation is arguably far worse than the UK yet their electorate don't blame Bush and the Republicans, despite the economic collapse happening on their watch. The reason is that it's politically expedient for the Tories, Lib Dems, Labour, Democrats, Republicans, Fianna Fail etc to blame each other because it continues their monopoly over being our political masters and means nothing really changes. The bankers get off scot free as well as the ludicrously paid regulators, credit rating agency people, central bankers who all went to private school and universities together with the errr politicians.
Nobody addresses the central problem, which is the failure of free market capitalism. It failed in the 1930s and it's failed monumentally again and losers, as ever, are those least responsible - the ordinary worker, the poor and hard-working families. If the Tories had been in power the same would have happened, if the Democrats had been in power the same would have happened. Growth, greed and the naive belief that a market can't fail powered this boom, the Internet boom, the South Sea bubble and the tulip boom.
The problem is we sad consumerists can't see beyond our Nintendos or the next must have to notice
mrpotatohead wrote:the point of the post is that the elected polititions have no power, or principles
shrimpnsave wrote:
haha......
have you ever heard of a circle mate,around around we go on the merrygoround,if you feel you can do better than an an elected politician go for it...........................................
Posh wrote:Peter wrote:Posh wrote:If you think Labour are responsible for the bank debt then who is responsible for it in Ireland, USA, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany and Greece to mention a few.
The government of the day of course.
It should never have happened the way it did.
The collision didn't just happen, there was a long, long slippery slope.
The Labour governement did diddly about it, and even encouraged the stupid spend, lend and borrow mentatility.
That's what the Tories would have you believe. In the USA the situation is arguably far worse than the UK yet their electorate don't blame Bush and the Republicans, despite the economic collapse happening on their watch. The reason is that it's politically expedient for the Tories, Lib Dems, Labour, Democrats, Republicans, Fianna Fail etc to blame each other because it continues their monopoly over being our political masters and means nothing really changes. The bankers get off scot free as well as the ludicrously paid regulators, credit rating agency people, central bankers who all went to private school and universities together with the errr politicians.
Nobody addresses the central problem, which is the failure of free market capitalism. It failed in the 1930s and it's failed monumentally again and losers, as ever, are those least responsible - the ordinary worker, the poor and hard-working families. If the Tories had been in power the same would have happened, if the Democrats had been in power the same would have happened. Growth, greed and the naive belief that a market can't fail powered this boom, the Internet boom, the South Sea bubble and the tulip boom.
The problem is we sad consumerists can't see beyond our Nintendos or the next must have to notice
The Marksman wrote:The problem is, you've been led to believe that we've actually been living in a free-market capitalist system - we haven't. If interest rates were too low, leading to excessive lending, whose fault is that? The central banks set interest rates, not the market.
If businesses do go bankrupt, in a free market system, they'd just fail and new business models would spring up in their place - they wouldn't be bailed out, impoverishing their parent nation. No, the problem is we haven't been living in a free market.
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