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O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:47 am
by essex_shrimp
What did you think England should do come the next game.


Wayne Rooney - Yes guessing he gets his form back
Boothroyd - Erm no I remember he was rubbish when at Charlton.
Jermain Defoe - Yes He is England's number one goalscorer and sure he'll get the goals when back from his injury for Totenham and get goals in Premiership and championship league.
Peter Crouch - 50-50 on him he work rate is good all depends on how Andy Carroll form gets on before the next game same goes with Darren Bent.
Darren Bent - Personally he is my 3rd-4th choice striker he is getting the goals for Sunderland and being England top premiership goalscorer in last 4 years must mean something.
I know Kevin Philips did the same and did not really get the chance. Answer no
Andy Carroll - - Yes he will be up front either with Rooney or Defoe just hope he is in the news for all the right reasons and continues getting goals
Davies - Sorry No I only think he'll get in only if Carroll is injured

Strikers - Wayne Rooney , Andy Carroll , Jermain Defoe , and Either Crouch and Bent

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:37 pm
by DTSJim
I don't mind Andy Carroll but I just think he's being over hyped by the press (which is what they always tend to do with England). I'd rather keep him as a fringe player until he becomes the finished article. Too often England are taking on rough diamonds into the squad thinking they're the next michael Owen and stunting their development. I hope that's not what they do with Andy Carroll because whilst he is a good player, there shouldn't really be the doting on him that was going on throughout the game last night and comparisons to Shearer until he's done something consistently at the highest level that warrants it.

I agree with your other picks mind you. I'd like to see Moses getting into the squad when he starts becoming a regular starter at Wigan but again, not if it's going to stunt the lad.

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:27 pm
by George Dawes
Carrol last night was not serviced properly we had two class wingers in Young & Johnson who were played on ther wrong flanks? i cant get my head around why Managers do this it defeats the whole objective of playing wingers the idea of a winger is to go around a defence and put in early balls across the face of goal for center forwards like Carrol to attack instead we had them cutting inside or trying to cross with there weaker foot just like in the last game for England what proved ineffective so why again :?

Strikers for me my ideal combination upfront as far as partnership's go would be Rooney & Bent and Bent over Defoe as i dont think two small center forwards playing at once would be as effective

and then Crouch is just better as a impact sub because England's midfield will stop playing creative balls to feet and just revert to hitting longs balls over 90mins it then becomes predictable

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:36 pm
by shrimper
Having watched Bent a lot I don't think he has the quality of touch needed for regular top class international football.

Good league player but not international class.

Rooney has, when he's on form. Defoe shows flashes of it.

Carroll? Too early to say but he shows a lot of promise and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he turns out to have a long and successful England future with Rooney playing slightly deeper just behind him.

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:51 pm
by P/T Indie
I don't get how all the talk is about trying to be technically more like Spain but then a good old fashioned English centre forward comes a long everyone gets over excited and we start playing long balls up to him.

For me Defoe is currently the nearest thing we have to a natural finisher.

Our forward line is embaressing when you compare it to the world stage the defence and midfield isn't to bad but apart from Rooney when he is ok we don't have another world class striker. How many of our strikers would get a game for say France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Portugal etc

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:55 pm
by Christies Child
For me, last night proved that we haven't really improved much from South Africa and the post match comments from the media about the lack of quality was a true and accurate reflection. Unfortunately the situation isn't going to change overnight. A change of manager for some is the way forward but it's the palyers of quality at International level that will make the difference, something that we don't have in abundance at the moment. It'll take us another 5 years at least to achive even a nominal amount of success.

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:15 pm
by George Dawes
Having watched Bent a lot I don't think he has the quality of touch needed for regular top class international football.



i know exactly what your saying but i think he could be another Heskey for England Bent as the presence and pace just like Heskey but Bent as more goals to his game

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:25 pm
by P/T Indie
Christies Child wrote:For me, last night proved that we haven't really improved much from South Africa and the post match comments from the media about the lack of quality was a true and accurate reflection. Unfortunately the situation isn't going to change overnight. A change of manager for some is the way forward but it's the palyers of quality at International level that will make the difference, something that we don't have in abundance at the moment. It'll take us another 5 years at least to achive even a nominal amount of success.


5 years I think your been very optomistic there!

I think it's a generation thing if we are serious about becoming more technical we need to start coaching kids who are just starting to kick a ball your 6/7/8 year olds so they don't know any other way. Then you have to wait 10-15 years for them to develop and that's if the FA get into gear and start all this now, the longer they take the more kids and generations will continue to slip through the net.

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:36 pm
by George Dawes
the problem is grass roots the thing is we dont do enough PE/Games at schools i just had two double lessons a week and then on top of that we tried covering way way way way way to many sports in such a short time so then it becomes a case of with England = "jack of all trades master of none"


i should be Sports Minister :ugeek:

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:42 pm
by P/T Indie
and kids don't play out anymore when I was a kid I used to play football on the back field every afteroon from 3pm - 5/6pm and all weekend and in the school holidays I was never in the house.

That just doesn't happen anymore mainly because of safety as well as the playstation generation so kids are limited to the few hours of supervised football they get a week.

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:01 pm
by essex_shrimp
Are you for real.

I am a football fan and remember Charlton signing him and Darren getting 18 premiership goals in his first season and so far .
He averages a premiership goal every two games and that is excellent.

But I do not think he is good enough for England starts in the Euro's but you compare him to Emile Heskey and Davies omg.

I would not mind if you said he could be like Bobby Zamora or Andy Johnson but this player Darren Bent deserves to play in the European Cup or squad member in the champions league

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:09 pm
by essex_shrimp
Hear Sammy I was expecting you to say I was wrong on Darren Bent.

Fans of England Darren Bent scored alot of goals for the under21's while he was at Ipswich and Charlton.

If Darren Bent scored these goals at say Everton and Aston Villa your opinions would of changed about him.

He is the real deal but in my opinion 3rd choice as a natural goalscorer well second but I put Rooney first , defoe 2nd and Bent 3rd

Manchester United sell Berbatov and buy Darren Bent this will never happpen more chance of him being lined up with Liverpool

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:18 pm
by heysham_mfc
DTSJim wrote:I don't mind Andy Carroll but I just think he's being over hyped by the press (which is what they always tend to do with England). I'd rather keep him as a fringe player until he becomes the finished article. Too often England are taking on rough diamonds into the squad thinking they're the next michael Owen and stunting their development. I hope that's not what they do with Andy Carroll because whilst he is a good player, there shouldn't really be the doting on him that was going on throughout the game last night and comparisons to Shearer until he's done something consistently at the highest level that warrants it.

I agree with your other picks mind you. I'd like to see Moses getting into the squad when he starts becoming a regular starter at Wigan but again, not if it's going to stunt the lad.

Having seen him play live 4 times so far this season he's just not ready yet to play a full game in the Premier League but one to keep an eye on in the future.

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:52 pm
by marky No.1
Not just saying this for the sake of it but England really reminded me of Morecambe last night and it wad my other half that mentioned it first! Outpaced, out smarted, too slow to react, waiting for the ball and letting it bounce over your head, passes going adrift, no leadership. I can go on...... Was quite funny when Carson was waving everybody forward in the last seconds, then kicked it straight into touch :lol: :lol:

England are miles away from winning anything!

One really positive thing for me is if that lot are allowed a performance like that then Morecambe can lift their heads up high and are a team to be proud of. Bring on Saturday :D

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:04 pm
by seasonsinthesun
In a survey this week 96% of fans preferred players from their team to play for their clubs rather than England!

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:09 pm
by essex_shrimp
Only mentioned Liverpool because I can not see Liverpool sack Hodgson .

And will probably lose Torres by the end of the season and will look for a new striker

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:08 pm
by heysham_mfc
Headline of the day:
'PRAT IN THE CAP'

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:22 pm
by marky No.1
heysham_mfc wrote:Headline of the day:
'PRAT IN THE CAP'


Yeah which followed Wally With The Brolly. Next they will be chanting Dumbo In The Dugout

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:47 pm
by seasonsinthesun
Do you mean Sam Allardyce is being lined up?

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:30 pm
by George Dawes
i honestly think i wont see it in my generation..

untill we play football the correct way at grass root..

Re: O/T England strikers yesterday

PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:15 pm
by dave wilky
not just the strikers..the whole team were Dire.......
goalkeeper a joke...defence pathetic....midfield..? was anyone in midfield.....strikers....were crap......solution....sack cappelo....install Harry Redknapp in his place....
let him select who he wants.....sick of managers coming in and picking the same crap team as the last one............Hello!!!!! wake up they are not good enough. :roll: