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who on this board thinks craig is a good team member and player,i for one think stanners need more slack from sm,both of them spit here dummy out last season and to top it all hes told stanners he can go out on loan if he finds a club himself,

i shouldn't say to much! but i was out with Justin Jackson last sunday night who still keeps in touch with some of his ex team mates and apparently Craig Stanley answers SM back at times when there's obviuosly only going to be one winner



so much for me being a lazy racist, who somehow affords to drink in pubs with today's prices

I think Panther, Drummond and Craney are all better midfielders than Craig.

campdave wrote:I think Panther, Drummond and Craney are all better midfielders than Craig.

Totally agree and also feel that Duffy needs to pick his game up as well.

Such a pity that not everybody last night showed the same attitude as Gary Hunter against what was basically a Carlisle Youth Team including their 3rd choice 'keeper.

I cant believe we are having this debate......give the lad a break...he spent the last few months of last season injured!!! he was put on the bench for the first game of the season then came on and put in a man of the match performance,,,yes i agree he may get moody when he is not in the team,,but tell me whats wrong with that? it shows he cares and wants to play for the club,and also tell me a player that doesnt sulk when he is not in the team!!its all in there competative nature that makes them proffesional footballers in the first place,,,,

i personally hope stanners does not read these posts and thinks to himself right im off cause he is in my opinion an asset to our club.

dazza wrote:he was put on the bench for the first game of the season then came on and put in a man of the match performance

And then a terrible performance against Burton. I thought he was average last night as well.

In a 4-4-2, which it looks like we're shaping up to play now, he can't play the defensive role and break up play like Hunter/Panther, and he isn't as attacking or creative as Craney/Drummond.

For me, too many of his passes go to the side than forward.

I agree, on his day he can be an excellent player, but I don't think he has enough of them to justify a first team spot week in, week out.

dazza wrote:i personally hope stanners does not read these posts and thinks to himself right im off cause he is in my opinion an asset to our club.

If anyone bases their career upon comments read on this message board, they need to take themselves outside and give their head a shake! Half of what is posted here is bull, and the other half is sh**. (My posts tend to be in the first category).

Some people have short memories.
Wasn't he instrumental in getting Morecambe where they are?
I think Roache was more at fault for Burton's 5th goal, and didn't Roache give a soft penalty away against Macclesfield?
But these things happen from time-to-time, and aren't we all so perfect?
I don't think lambasting players on a public forum is good for anyone.

Peter wrote:Some people have short memories.
Wasn't he instrumental in getting Morecambe where they are?

Yes, but so was Matthew Blinkhorn.

Who is the ONLY person on our team that can take a decent set piece? Stanners.
Stanners can make a far better cross field pass than drummond.

campdave wrote:Yes, but so was Matthew Blinkhorn.

For which we should all be thankful.
But now he's gone.

Matty the Shrimp wrote:Who is the ONLY person on our team that can take a decent set piece.

Twiss created four goals in four successive corners against Chester.

Peter wrote:

campdave wrote:Yes, but so was Matthew Blinkhorn.

For which we should all be thankful.
But now he's gone.

So, we shouldn't have Craig in the squad purely on sentiment?

campdave wrote:So, we shouldn't have Craig in the squad purely on sentiment?

Next game he plays, he'll clear 2 of the line, and score a screamer.
We'll look forward to your comments then

Matty the Shrimp wrote:Who is the ONLY person on our team that can take a decent set piece? Stanners.
Stanners can make a far better cross field pass than drummond.

Erm..... I like Stanners and agree he takes a great free kick.... but so does Craney, so does Laurence Wilson, so does Twissy.

I think Craig is being severly underrated here. He might sulk when he's not playing but the attitude shows when he's on the pitch and desperate to win as well. I've seen him turn a flat game around for us a few times either with a quality assist or a burst into the box. The only other players with that kind of drive are Jimbo and Hunter.

I don't think we should be complaining about him at all. He was great for us at the start of last season. He put in plenty of man of the match performances and I don't see what has changed.

Maybe it's because he's more of an all round midfielder instead of fitting into a definite attacking / defensive role.

I think he has a lot to offer. He works really hard, has real energy, plays a good pressing game and delivers fantastic free-kicks.

Not an automatic choice each week but I'm never disappointed to see him in the starting line-up.

I'd have Craney and Panther as midfield first choices, Wilson needs to be in there somewhere, then A.N. Other from GH, Drummy, Stanners, Wainwright, Duffy, depending on formation.

This is silly. Why there are even questions abouts Stanner's place in the team is beyond me. Attitude or not he has been consistantly our best player when fit these past 3 years. Obviously there is a central midfield headache for Sammy at the mo but on energy and workrate alone Stanners has to be considered.

With the complete lack of pace in the team. I would love to see Sammy go for a midfield diamond on Friday (ala Tranmere). Energy and workrate from Manny, Gaz and Hunter would allow Craney to have more of a free role. We would also have some recovery pace which we are in dire need of as sofar this year whenever a team breaks and moves against us, the defenders get dragged out and nobody is there covering.

Panther
Stanley Hunter
Craney

consistantly our best player when fit these past 3 years

...apart from at Burton?


So your team would be - I assume:

Roche

Moss, Artell, Bentley, Wilson

Panther

Stanners Hunter

Craney

Jevons/Twiss Mullin


No Drummy, no Danny Adams (from the team that has been starting of late).

I think that could work.

I think there are a few options and, as I say, it'll be interesting to see which way Sammy takes it.

shrimper wrote:consistantly our best player when fit these past 3 years

...apart from at Burton?


So your team would be - I assume:

Roche

Moss, Artell, Bentley, Wilson

Panther

Stanners Hunter

Craney

Jevons/Twiss Mullin


No Drummy, no Danny Adams (from the team that has been starting of late).

I think that could work.

I think there are a few options and, as I say, it'll be interesting to see which way Sammy takes it.

That would infact be my exact team... no chance it will happen though.

I don't think so either. I think, for Sammy, Adams plays when he's not injured.

I don't mind that because I think he's a good player. But then that means that Wilson is in midfield or as wing back (which, again, isn't anything bad).

But I kind of think that now, on balance (and it is a matter of choice between two good things, I accept) I'd have Wilson as left back so that we can use his skills up and down but also still have another midfielder in there for more energy, closing down and carrying the ball forward etc.

Whether that's Stanners, or Wainwright or someone else is up to personal choice.

We started a five man defence (with wingbacks) basically, I reckon, because we wanted to use Danny's experience and class at the back but didn't want him to be exposed to pace - we did it successfully by using a wingback to cover that side.

But now we have Wilson I think we could revert to 4-4-2 and I'd prefer to have Laurence than Danny as an orthodox left back and then bring in another true midfielder, so as to use the energy of Gary or Stanners or Wainwright (or Duffy if we think we can accommodate him in a free role).

Nice to have the various options, though.

Peter wrote:Some people have short memories.
Wasn't he instrumental in getting Morecambe where they are?

Most people forget that it wasnt stanley and drummond that got us to finish just outside the playoffs last season, we were in the botom 8 when them 2 played in the centre of midfield.

When stanley got injured hunter came in to play with drummond and what happened, we narrowly missed out on the playoffs.

FACT.

Dids wrote:

Peter wrote:Some people have short memories.
Wasn't he instrumental in getting Morecambe where they are?

Most people forget that it wasnt stanley and drummond that got us to finish just outside the playoffs last season, we were in the botom 8 when them 2 played in the centre of midfield.

When stanley got injured hunter came in to play with drummond and what happened, we narrowly missed out on the playoffs.

FACT.

That's right.

BUT until he got injured Stanners was playing out of his skin and was, in fact, leading the 'player ratings' league table. Drummy wasn't playing at all well at that time, that was the problem. Drummy got better as the season went on (while Stanners was injured).

Gary played well also but the raw 'facts' that you mention don't tell the whole story.

stanners may have been top of the player ratings before his injury, but it doesen't meen the players were playing well as a team?

Probably the most talent member of our squad with the ball, but for me Stanners is not strong enough without it. He was terribly exposed against Burton and in general I think he is a bit of a luxury player. Craney offers us many of the attributes that Stanners does, with the adage of a decent return in terms of goals. With the options now available at Sammy's disposal we might see Stanners struggle for starts this season.