o/t Brian Clough

[marky No.1]

Having watched the documentary on Old Big Ead last night I was surprised this clip was'nt included
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbrxXY7EemM

Ben will be glad that Mr. C. is'nt a steward!

[shrimper]

Not the full clip but they did use a bit of this at the end when they were talking about the latter part of his career when he'd started to drink a bit.

Thought it was a great documentary and has now quelled a bit of my eagerness to see the film. Probably wait until it comes out on telly.

[Keith]

They were talking about the documentary, book & film on the radio last week. They really slated the book and suggested that although the film is 'less harsh', the family were keen to be involved in the documentary and to get it aired before the film release. They said that it was "noticeable" that "all the good lines were used in the documentary" [so that they aren't as 'fresh' in the film]. I had also planned on seeing the film but now doubt if I will bother. The general consensus of the panel was great lead acting, not good story, so I don't think I'll be missing much. Applied for the Morecambe manager's job but was turned down

[George Dawes]

the book "walking on water" just before Clough died, a cracking read

[Mark S]

I read the book 'The Damned United' a few weeks ago and said on here somewhere that I was gripped. I am sure the family were not happy but I reckon that it was because it was very close to the truth and they are keen to protect his public image.

I would recommend the book to anyone.

[Little Shrimp]

On the program even a Leeds player didn't like it and you would recommend it to people !!!!!!!!!!!!! It's got lots of swearing in it as well.

[PUNKISDEAD]

The players from the 44 days , and the families thought it was not a fair representation, so really, it is fiction using real characters, if Clough was alive it would probably end up in court, but coz he is not, it will end up becoming the truth (2+2=5 springs to mind!!)

[Keith]

The Leeds player in the documentary (forget who) didn't appear to like Clough but still said it was a dreadful book. He was mentioned in the book, sued and won. He said that if the others mentioned were still alive the book would never have been published because of the libel in it, but they got away with it because you can't libel the dead. Apparently Clough had given up smoking by then and didn't start drinking until a lot later, so they couldn't even get the basics right. A work of fiction to sully a great manager's name.

[PUNKISDEAD]

The Leeds player in the documentary (forget who) didn't appear to like Clough but still said it was a dreadful book. He was mentioned in the book, sued and won. He said that if the others mentioned were still alive the book would never have been published because of the libel in it, but they got away with it because you can't libel the dead. Apparently Clough had given up smoking by then and didn't start drinking until a lot later, so they couldn't even get the basics right. A work of fiction to sully a great manager's name.

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****Keith**** TOTALLY AGREE!!!

[Mark S]

Might be worth reading it to see yourself if you like it before making your mind up?

None of the Leeds players at the time look particularly good in it. I am not surprised they didnt like it. The first instance of 'player power' getting the manager the sack. Two of them wanted the job. That is fact.

I dont think it made Cloughy look bad, it showed him as a wiley old character, a flawed genius.

The way it moves between his Derby days and the Leeds 'present' was very well done.

As a piece of 'faction' (as I believe is the term), I enjoyed it.

[Shrimpsscene]

read the book twice like mark was gripped
sadly no cinema in morecambe or lancaster is screening this film
you will have to wait
watched the documentary which was great but cant wait to see the film
the leeds player used in the docu was johnny giles the player revie allegedly nominated for the leeds job
fascinating stuff and as kids at the time we couldnt understand why cloughie wanted the leeds job after everything hed said about them
can you imagine wenger getting the man u job is about as near as it comes
legenadary manager whose influence n his former players is still there
our own mark smudger smith was at forest as a youngster for a while and had some cracking stories about him bringing his dog to training

[sgt major]

I read it on holiday last year - in two days. Like Mark, I couldnt put it down - great read and a part of history that I prsonally remember.

[PUNKISDEAD]

he Damned United is a 2009 British sports drama film directed by Tom Hooper and adapted by Peter Morgan from David Peace's bestselling novel The Damned Utd about Brian Clough's tenure as manager of Leeds United. It was produced by BBC Films and Left Bank Pictures, with additional funding from Screen Yorkshire and Columbia Pictures. Sony Pictures Entertainment distributes the film. The film was originally proposed by Stephen Frears but he pulled out of the project in November 2007. Tom Hooper took his place and film was shot from May to July 2008. It will be released in the United Kingdom on 27 March 2009.

The publishers of the novel on which the film is based were successfully sued by Irish midfielder Johnny Giles who wrote, "Many of the things Peace talks about in the book never happened and for that reason, I felt it necessary to go to the Courts to establish that this was fiction based on fact and nothing more."

However, most people portrayed in the book had died by the time of the book's release and were unable to take similar action. The book includes a scene with Brian Clough in the Leeds management office burning Don Revie's desk. There is no factual basis for this. The Clough family have expressed disappointment at the publication of the book. The film has already been criticised by Clough's widow, Barbara.
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MIIND YOU MOST OFFICIAL HISTORY WE READ IS FICTION ANYWAY

[mazatec]

I played with clough hardly anybody knows what he was really like, how he filled in other pros who were not pulling there weight, the goalkeeper at the time , he was fantastic to play with so long as you gave your all,
Its never mentioned how he suffered, which he did.