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Are we able to appeal the red card?

redrobo wrote:Are we able to appeal the red card?

Can we afford to appeal it ?

Watch it again, ignoring Angol's foot, watch his arm. I think that's what the ref gave. Still very soft, but could [harshly] be interpreted as 'violent', so even if we appeal, they will probably side with the ref... ...again. Twice we've had this ref when playing at Colchester and twice we've not got to half-time with eleven players on the pitch. The last sending off was very harsh, following another Oscar nominated 'performance' by their cheating players. They know they can con this useless ref.

Keith wrote:Watch it again, ignoring Angol's foot, watch his arm. I think that's what the ref gave. Still very soft, but could [harshly] be interpreted as 'violent', so even if we appeal, they will probably side with the ref... ...again. Twice we've had this ref when playing at Colchester and twice we've not got to half-time with eleven players on the pitch. The last sending off was very harsh, following another Oscar nominated 'performance' by their cheating players. They know they can con this useless ref.

Thing is though. We never get that decision in a month of Sundays.

We'd have to give evidence as to why the ref got it wrong.
Soft but I don't think they will overturn it.

Last?season I was given a verbal warning for having a pop at their manager who accused me of saying inflammatory remarks about him and his players I denied it and was supported by those around me including a foemwe Director.

Sounds to me he and his players are continuing with their play acting etc. Maybe we are too soft and should get up to speed with the dark arts

Derek said in his interview that it costs £500 to appeal

Hope he gets the money to do it

We've appealed, last throw of the dice

I’ve just watched the red card incident, (in slow motion).

Law 12 covers fouls and misconduct, from the list of offences that can constitute a straight Red Card I am confident in this instance, the Red Card was shown for either;

Guilty of serious foul play or Guilty of violent behaviour

I dismiss the violent behaviour, Angol and the Colchester defender were both man handling each other in the challenge and there was no deliberate intent to injure the opponent, when Angola’s arm coming came across.

I would also dismiss serious foul player that would warrant a straight Red Card, it not an uncontrolled challenge it was however very clumsy

With Angola’s challenge being very clumsy which may have caused injury within the challenge with how Angol twisted round and for that reason I think a Yellow Card was more appropriate in relation to the incident.

Let’s hope other see it that way, we were robbed of playing the second half with 11men.

Billy bodger wrote:I’ve just watched the red card incident, (in slow motion).

Law 12 covers fouls and misconduct, from the list of offences that can constitute a straight Red Card I am confident in this instance, the Red Card was shown for either;

Guilty of serious foul play or Guilty of violent behaviour

I dismiss the violent behaviour, Angol and the Colchester defender were both man handling each other in the challenge and there was no deliberate intent to injure the opponent, when Angola’s arm coming came across.

I would also dismiss serious foul player that would warrant a straight Red Card, it not an uncontrolled challenge it was however very clumsy

With Angola’s challenge being very clumsy which may have caused injury within the challenge with how Angol twisted round and for that reason I think a Yellow Card was more appropriate in relation to the incident.

Let’s hope other see it that way, we were robbed of playing the second half with 11men.

I think anyone watching that in slow motion would agree with you. There was contact but no intent. My worry is that they will defend the referee instead of going with the line that we all make mistakes and the ref has made one here. Let us see whether they will make the fair decision.

Unfortunately the reaction of their player probly favours the sending off is confirmed. Once again their manager has employed tactics that encourage such events. Dark arts at their worst for me.

Just read on Morecambe FC OWS it was a straight Red Card for Violent Conduct.

The flaying arm must have been judged deliberate by the referee

The definition of Violent Conduct is when a player uses excessive force or brutality against another person regardless of whether contact is made:-

Using excessive force against an opponent, teammate, spectator or official.

Deliberately striking an opponent on the head or face.

Charging, jumping at, or tackling an opponent in a reckless manner

Attempting to trip an opponent.

I’ve put what I think, a yellow for me. (If Angol struck the opponent was it deliberate?).

We will see what happens.

I thought it was a very harsh decision from a poor referee who has form against us so I asked a friend- a Portsmouth supporter and he said he thought it was a definite sending off. Lets see what the decision is.

If that's a sending off offence, for a contact sport, that is a very low threshold. They'll be stopping players from touching each other soon. I was all for stopping all the arguing with the ref but physical contact is inevitable. It should all come down to 'intension' and if anyone thinks Angol intended to elbow the guy I'd be surprised, he was merely trying to reach the ball.

Having watched it back a few times I think that the EFL will back the ref.
It is a very soft red card, in my opinion its a clumsy yellow at best.

Old Man Kensey wrote:Having watched it back a few times I think that the EFL will back the ref.
It is a very soft red card, in my opinion its a clumsy yellow at best.

I’m not so sure after some of the comments, I afraid you could be right, just back the ref!!

I hope they see it as an error, but as I said elsewhere, I reckon it will come down to the ref. If he watches it back and agrees he made a mistake, then it will be over turned. If he says he still thinks it was reckless and dangerous/violent, then the FA will back him. He prefers us to play with ten men, so I reckon he'll say he was correct.

Hope for common sense from the FA.... Yeah, right.

Slightly o/t but did anyone see Martinez jump in with his foot yesterday in the Man Utd game? And.... Not even get booked.

lancaster shrimp wrote:Slightly o/t but did anyone see Martinez jump in with his foot yesterday in the Man Utd game? And.... Not even get booked.

The worse one for me at the weekend was the foul on Endo in the Liverpool game. That was high and dangerous but VAR didn't see anything wrong with it.

And yet Angol is sent from the pitch for a little clumsy tackle.

My feeling is that the ref sent him off because he mistakenly thought that Angol had kicked their player in the face. On the day it would never have been a red if the ref saw it properly.

I’ve just read how a FA Regulatory Commission reviews an appeal against a straight Red Card.

They will read the Referees report and the appeal by the Player and the Club.

They also take into account video evidence, with the primary consideration being the severity of the foul.
(Hopefully that is one of the key factors that may help Angol?)

They also from the video evidence try to gage the intent in the challenge.
(Hopefully they see it as very clumsy, with little or no intent).

Mistaken identity. (Non).

Aggravating Factors
Previous history of foul play or targeting an opponent can lead to harsher punishment. (Unknown??)

Mitigating Factors
Remorse, the incident more of a mistimed challenge than malicious intent. (Clumsy, awkward!!)

Overall 50/50 it will be down graded to a Yellow. We will see.

Well let’s see if Derek is right when the panel that sits tonight if they think the referee can see around 5 players between him and the incident from 30yds away, while the linesman a few yrds away did not see the incident! It was a straight decision from the referee.

Appeal as FAILED

What a surprise

Yet another kick in the teeth for the club

We can't take much more

I have said it before and I will keep saying it , the EFL want us out of the league , we are an embarrassment to them !!!!!!

What a surprise.