Avanti West Coast o/t

[Redalert1970]

Anyone who was travelling back on the 12.59 from Euston via Birmingham on the Sunday 12th January

Just an email to say this train as been cancelled

Please check the website for further information

[Phoenix Shrimp 2017]

Let the train take the strain Remember those days. You're lucky if you can find a train service which hasn't been cancelled nowadays!

Ah well as long as they get extra money. Above and beyond the wedge Labour have just given them!

If they don't it's 'Out Brothers Out' and sod the public.

Are they putting bus replacement services on. Any indication on your e-mail.

[Redalert1970]

We are just getting on the next train

[Phoenix Shrimp 2017]

We are just getting on the next train

Until that's cancelled too.

[Billy bodger]

It’s RMT managers at Avanti who are on strike on Sundays, the strikes are carry’s on from the 12th Jan till 25th May. Now they do have managers that are not RMT managers but Sunday is somewhat maned by staff doing overtime.
That is called working on a rest day now!! If I read it right RMT staff get paid less than Avanti staff doing the same job. Isn’t that against the law?
Why not take Avanti to court and carry on working, no disruption to passengers, just sort it out in court, surly RMT would win? Avanti would then have to pay people doing the same job the same rate.

Avanti are in a pickle with there staffing, apparently, they don’t have enough staff.

[nobbyshrimp]

Not forgetting if you have an advanced booked train which is delayed or cancelled you can claim delay repay. Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon saying yea yea but you get nowt, Avanti are very good at repaying and if you’re train is cancelled you get 100% back of your journey but remember it’s only your single journey ie Euston to Birmingham or Preston etc unless you’ve bought one for the entire journey straight thru in which case you can claim the lot. You can only claim after the journey, keep your ticket as you’ll need a photo or screen shot and you’ll have the money back within a couple of weeks

Ps
Don’t forget you can get trains Marlybone to Birmingham and the Chiltern line is great. 5 mins walk from Bham moor street to New street

[Phoenix Shrimp 2017]

Not forgetting if you have an advanced booked train which is delayed or cancelled you can claim delay repay. Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon saying yea yea but you get nowt, Avanti are very good at repaying and if you’re train is cancelled you get 100% back of your journey but remember it’s only your single journey ie Euston to Birmingham or Preston etc unless you’ve bought one for the entire journey straight thru in which case you can claim the lot. You can only claim after the journey, keep your ticket as you’ll need a photo or screen shot and you’ll have the money back within a couple of weeks

Ps
Don’t forget you can get trains Marlybone to Birmingham and the Chiltern line is great. 5 mins walk from Bham moor street to New street

Just looking at the above as an option but guess what. On the northern leg you have to change at Crewe onto guess what. An Avanti west coast line train which may well never appear.

[redrobo]

Maybe if one could get to Leeds and then the train to Morecambe....

One hell of a detour and not sure about Sunday services....

[Keith]

Ah well as long as they get extra money. Above and beyond the wedge Labour have just given them!

If they don't it's 'Out Brothers Out' and sod the public.

Financial year ending March 2023, Avanti paid shareholders £11 million. You wouldn't want the workers to get a sniff of that cash, eh? Much of the profit goes to the Italian railways, who own a huge swathe of British rail. UK government subsidies, paid to UK rail companies, that are owned by French, Italian & Dutch railway companies. UK government & passengers, subsidising European railways, that are much better. Ain't Brexit & privatisation grand?

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

It’s RMT managers at Avanti who are on strike on Sundays, the strikes are carry’s on from the 12th Jan till 25th May. Now they do have managers that are not RMT managers but Sunday is somewhat maned by staff doing overtime.
That is called working on a rest day now!! If I read it right RMT staff get paid less than Avanti staff doing the same job. Isn’t that against the law?
Why not take Avanti to court and carry on working, no disruption to passengers, just sort it out in court, surly RMT would win? Avanti would then have to pay people doing the same job the same rate.

Avanti are in a pickle with there staffing, apparently, they don’t have enough staff.

Stop making excuses.....the Unions have got and continue to get everything they want, and will do, while Liebour 'rule the roost'. Those being penalised are the paying general public who are paying handsomely, generally in advance, for an advertised service.

Cancellations have knock-on effects, can and do add to further cancellations and the paying public being penalised even further often on the few overcrowded services that have survived the decimations.

No need to respond.

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Ah well as long as they get extra money. Above and beyond the wedge Labour have just given them!

If they don't it's 'Out Brothers Out' and sod the public.

Financial year ending March 2023, Avanti paid shareholders £11 million. You wouldn't want the workers to get a sniff of that cash, eh? Much of the profit goes to the Italian railways, who own a huge swathe of British rail. UK government subsidies, paid to UK rail companies, that are owned by French, Italian & Dutch railway companies. UK government & passengers, subsidising European railways, that are much better. Ain't Brexit & privatisation grand?

Aren't Northern Rail government owned and run?

[nobbyshrimp]

Not forgetting if you have an advanced booked train which is delayed or cancelled you can claim delay repay. Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon saying yea yea but you get nowt, Avanti are very good at repaying and if you’re train is cancelled you get 100% back of your journey but remember it’s only your single journey ie Euston to Birmingham or Preston etc unless you’ve bought one for the entire journey straight thru in which case you can claim the lot. You can only claim after the journey, keep your ticket as you’ll need a photo or screen shot and you’ll have the money back within a couple of weeks

Ps
Don’t forget you can get trains Marlybone to Birmingham and the Chiltern line is great. 5 mins walk from Bham moor street to New street

Just looking at the above as an option but guess what. On the northern leg you have to change at Crewe onto guess what. An Avanti west coast line train which may well never appear.

Not sure which part you’re on about as from Marlybone only goes to Bham unless you’re changing somewhere else. I’m travelling up from Euston to Shrewsbury on Sunday but due to no Avanti I’m getting the Crewe London midlands train which is a slower train to Crewe instead of Bham then Wales train to Shrews. I’m pretty sure there are trains from Crewe, probably Trans pennine or Northern and the occasional Avanti

[Keith]

Stop making excuses.....the Unions have got and continue to get everything they want, and will do, while Liebour 'rule the roost'. Those being penalised are the paying general public who are paying handsomely, generally in advance, for an advertised service.

Cancellations have knock-on effects, can and do add to further cancellations and the paying public being penalised even further often on the few overcrowded services that have survived the decimations.

The billionaires have had 14 years of getting everything they wanted while Truss, Johnson and the other sycophants who pretended to run the country, were grovelling to the non-dom billionaire tax exiles, and screwing the workers. Unless you are suggesting the railways were running better six months ago.

No need to respond.

Quite.

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Stop making excuses.....the Unions have got and continue to get everything they want, and will do, while Liebour 'rule the roost'. Those being penalised are the paying general public who are paying handsomely, generally in advance, for an advertised service.

Cancellations have knock-on effects, can and do add to further cancellations and the paying public being penalised even further often on the few overcrowded services that have survived the decimations.

The billionaires have had 14 years of getting everything they wanted while Truss, Johnson and the other sycophants who pretended to run the country, were grovelling to the non-dom billionaire tax exiles, and screwing the workers. Unless you are suggesting the railways were running better six months ago.

No need to respond.

So tell us a bit about Northern Rail please. Are they government run or not.....how long have they been government run? What's their current performance record like?

[Keith]

So tell us a bit about Northern Rail please. Are they government run or not.....how long have they been government run? What's their current performance record like?

You start. Let me know how good it was before, when Abellio was taking profits to the Netherlands. Then, how much it improved under Arriva?

[Redalert1970]

I use the trains at least once a week from Blackpool

Sometimes it can take up to 4 hours to travel from Blackpool North to Morecambe which is totally unacceptable especially on a Sunday

Can't see any end to this not in the near future anyway

It's not just Avanti ... Northern and Trans Pennine is an even worse service

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

So tell us a bit about Northern Rail please. Are they government run or not.....how long have they been government run? What's their current performance record like?

You start. Let me know how good it was before, when Abellio was taking profits to the Netherlands. Then, how much it improved under Arriva?

Nope.
Are Northern Rail government owned and run?
What's their current performance like?

[Billy bodger]

It’s RMT managers at Avanti who are on strike on Sundays, the strikes are carry’s on from the 12th Jan till 25th May. Now they do have managers that are not RMT managers but Sunday is somewhat maned by staff doing overtime.
That is called working on a rest day now!! If I read it right RMT staff get paid less than Avanti staff doing the same job. Isn’t that against the law?
Why not take Avanti to court and carry on working, no disruption to passengers, just sort it out in court, surly RMT would win? Avanti would then have to pay people doing the same job the same rate.

Avanti are in a pickle with there staffing, apparently, they don’t have enough staff.

Stop making excuses.....the Unions have got and continue to get everything they want, and will do, while Liebour 'rule the roost'. Those being penalised are the paying general public who are paying handsomely, generally in advance, for an advertised service.

Cancellations have knock-on effects, can and do add to further cancellations and the paying public being penalised even further often on the few overcrowded services that have survived the decimations.

No need to respond.

OK.

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Can't see any end to this not in the near future anyway.

It's not just Avanti ... Northern and Trans Pennine is an even worse service

Northern are government owned and run, but are possibly the worst of the lot.

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Can't see any end to this not in the near future anyway.

It's not just Avanti ... Northern and Trans Pennine is an even worse service

Northern are government owned and run, but are possibly the worst of the lot [Trans Pennine fall under the same umbrella!].

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Can't see any end to this not in the near future anyway.

It's not just Avanti ... Northern and Trans Pennine is an even worse service

Northern are government owned and run, but are possibly the worst of the lot [Trans Pennine fall under the same umbrella!].

[Keith]

Northern are government owned and run, but are possibly the worst of the lot [Trans Pennine fall under the same umbrella!].

LOL! You do know that it is BECAUSE they are the "worst of the lot" that they were taken back into public ownership? Do you really believe this situation could be turned around quickly, whether the last government or this? Decades of money being taken away from investment and paid out in profit dividends can't be turned around quickly.

Manchester have taken the city's buses back into public ownership. Let's see how that goes. When I say "see how that goes", I don't mean it needs to be a success by the middle of next month!

[Scouseport_Shrimp]

Manchester have taken the city's buses back into public ownership. Let's see how that goes. When I say "see how that goes", I don't mean it needs to be a success by the middle of next month!

Didn't Andy Burnham brag that he would eradicate sleeping rough from the streets of Manchester within TWO years of taking Office? How long ago was that, and now it's a lot worse, don't you agree?

So I don't blame you for saying that there would be no quick success with the city's buses, cos it won't happen.