O/T Labour leadership vote

[Wild Bill]

As Shrimpsvoices is a pretty broad church of political persuasions, it would be interesting to see who would vote for any or none of the current potential leaders.

Just say the surname of the candidate or indeed none, if you wouldn't vote for any of them them as things stand.

I will start the ball rolling:

Burnham

[SolentShrimp]

Corbyn. He's the obvious choice.

That was a heck of a ramble that Mr Brown put in yesterday. With the number of times he walked up and down he must have felt like a rambler by the time he eventually finished his ramble.

I counted the London Eye doing 3 revolutions, which is what Corbyn has probably got on his mind on his leadership manifesto.

http://www.sunnation.co.uk/5-things-we-learned-from-gordon-browns-speech-on-the-labour-leadership/

Should be interesting. I'll be in Ho Chi Minh City when the result is announced, so I might have a few glasses of Bia Hoi to celebrate.

[P/T Indie]

None could they really not find anyone better than those lot is there no new upcoming blood in the Labour party? or do the youngster like Dan Jarvis, Chuka Umna etc know they are on a hiding to nothing at the moment and are just bidding their time and waiting for a few years.

The Tories must be pissing themselves laughing all the way to 2020

[George Dawes]

None could they really not find anyone better than those lot is there no new upcoming blood in the Labour party?

The Tories must be pissing themselves laughing all the way to 2020

+1

they are that far over to the left now, compared to my beloved middle of the road labour of old, they might as well hijack and take over the liberal party.

[halfwayprawn]

Corbyn,just for the laugh, as labour have made such a mess of their party.

[Wild Bill]

Just to clarify, by vote I mean in a general election, not in a leadership campaign to stitch up.

If this was the case I would be investing 3 quid to back Boris.

[black morse]

Boris......or does that spoil my ballot paper? I which case......Boris

[mrpotatohead]

right bill, you actually just ''unclarified'' things, the post says labour leadership vote, and no you are saying general election vote, are we to take it that you, like a liberal, cannot make up your mind what you mean?

[Keith]

It's a strange one for me. Corbyn is almost certainly unelectable in a General Election, but Labour need to return to their roots in many ways. Labour has lost sight of its core reason for existing and the people it should be supporting and who should, in turn, be supporting Labour. Blair tried to out Tory the Tories. The SNP have proved that people in Scotland at least, will support a party that want to protect the NHS, education and working people rather than the Tories, who want to privatise the NHS, education and give tax cuts to the wealthy. The last General Election was English people saying why have Tory 'light' when they can have full fat Tories. Sadly, I can't see Labour winning the next election regardless of who they choose. Perhaps they need Corbyn to wake them from their slumber and they may manage to put up a real fight in ten years time. What, if anything, will remain of the NHS etc by then, I dread to think.

If I was voting in the leadership contest, I'd probably want to vote Corbyn but actually vote Burnham when the moment actually arrived. I think Corbyn is the most principled of the four. I like the fact that he has the lowest expenses claim of any MP. I'm impressed that he gets the night bus home. But he blew it for me in the Channel 4 News interview with Krishnan Guru-Murthy regarding 'our friends Hammas', not because of what he said but because he appeared to believe it wasn't a legitimate line of questioning and he got annoyed at even being asked.

[Gone_Shrimping]

It's a strange one for me. Corbyn is almost certainly unelectable in a General Election, but Labour need to return to their roots in many ways. Labour has lost sight of its core reason for existing and the people it should be supporting and who should, in turn, be supporting Labour. Blair tried to out Tory the Tories. The SNP have proved that people in Scotland at least, will support a party that want to protect the NHS, education and working people rather than the Tories, who want to privatise the NHS, education and give tax cuts to the wealthy. The last General Election was English people saying why have Tory 'light' when they can have full fat Tories. Sadly, I can't see Labour winning the next election regardless of who they choose. Perhaps they need Corbyn to wake them from their slumber and they may manage to put up a real fight in ten years time. What, if anything, will remain of the NHS etc by then, I dread to think.

If I was voting in the leadership contest, I'd probably want to vote Corbyn but actually vote Burnham when the moment actually arrived. I think Corbyn is the most principled of the four. I like the fact that he has the lowest expenses claim of any MP. I'm impressed that he gets the night bus home. But he blew it for me in the Channel 4 News interview with Krishnan Guru-Murthy regarding 'our friends Hammas', not because of what he said but because he appeared to believe it wasn't a legitimate line of questioning and he got annoyed at even being asked.

The stronger the economy is , the better it is for providing finance for the NHS.

Therefore the NHS will be stronger with the present Government than it would have been with a Miliband/Balls partnership which put the economy in the mess it was in in 2008/09. And before you blame the bankers , there was already a huge structural deficit caused by overspending long before the USA sub-prime banking crash. A structural deficit can only be cured by cuts in spending and those would have been implemented whoever was in power although Jeremy Corbyn and his loony friends may try and pretend otherwise.

[mrpotatohead]

sometimes you have to destroy, in order to create, labour are no longer an alternative, so corbyn is the obvious choice, he wont win a general election ,but he could instill principles and labour values back in the party, leaving someone else to take the reigns in years to come, and challenge the tories, when they have regained credibility.

[George Dawes]

rather one of the Women win it, at least most Men from the other parties and on the world stage would/should speak to them with more respect.

[SolentShrimp]

Private Financial Initiative [PFI] = Liebour F***k Up for years to come.

[Keith]

The stronger the economy is , the better it is for providing finance for the NHS.

Nonsense! The Tories fundamentally don't believe in an NHS, they believe in a profit driven, insurance funded health service. Can't afford top insurance? You get what you can afford... ...or more to the point 'deserve'. If you are poor, it is because you didn't work hard enough. It's a simple concept but it worked for Thatcher and her supporters ever since.

In March Jeremy Hunt signed the biggest ever NHS privatisation deal, worth £780 million. That is while they are still pretending the NHS isn't up for sale.

Get that BUPA insurance quickly. Can't afford it? Well that's your own fault.

[shrimpnsave]

I cant be arsed posting anything

[Wild Bill]

right bill, you actually just ''unclarified'' things, the post says labour leadership vote, and no you are saying general election vote, are we to take it that you, like a liberal, cannot make up your mind what you mean?

Sorry should have said in an election. I am guessing most of us arent labour party members, so just curious to know who if any would win over the hearts and minds of morecambe in an election.

[Gone_Shrimping]

The stronger the economy is , the better it is for providing finance for the NHS.

Nonsense! The Tories fundamentally don't believe in an NHS, they believe in a profit driven, insurance funded health service. Can't afford top insurance? You get what you can afford... ...or more to the point 'deserve'. If you are poor, it is because you didn't work hard enough. It's a simple concept but it worked for Thatcher and her supporters ever since.

In March Jeremy Hunt signed the biggest ever NHS privatisation deal, worth £780 million. That is while they are still pretending the NHS isn't up for sale.

Get that BUPA insurance quickly. Can't afford it? Well that's your own fault.

Well you might not like it but if more people joined B.U.P.A. the NHS would benefit.

The B.U.P.A. people when needing hospital would be in a B.U.P.A. hospital and not occupying a place in an NHS hospital. They would still be paying their Taxes and National Insurance into the Treasury kitty even though they will not be using the service.

[Freez]

So if everyone who voted Tory joined BUPA, the NHS wouldn't be as under as much pressure?
Good idea, crack on everyone!

[George Dawes]

the NHS is bursting at the seams, and its poor service compared to what it use to be like, with our best Doctors and Nurses often going abroad for more money and a better lifestyle, rather staying in the UK working more hours for a lot less money than they get in USA , Canada, Australia etc

having your own health insurance is worth looking at, other countries do it successfully, like Canada and Australia, aswell as others.

and plus it is one way of controlling health tourism, and help keep our best Doctors & Nurses stay in the UK unless SKY NEWS, ITV BBC have all been telling lies on a MASSIVE scale on our TV screens every day.

[Gone_Shrimping]

So if everyone who voted Tory joined BUPA, the NHS wouldn't be as under as much pressure?
Good idea, crack on everyone!

It would be all the champagne socialists joining B.U.P.A.

[Keith]

Well you might not like it but if more people joined B.U.P.A. the NHS would benefit.

The B.U.P.A. people when needing hospital would be in a B.U.P.A. hospital and not occupying a place in an NHS hospital. They would still be paying their Taxes and National Insurance into the Treasury kitty even though they will not be using the service.

That's true if the same amount of money went in to the NHS. But this government want to give tax cuts to the wealthy. So the more people take out insurance, the less people use the service, the more money they can take out of it, forcing more people in to private health, leading to less people using the service, leading to more money being taken out... and so on. They can't do it too quickly (or as quickly as they'd like) but they will do it. Tax cuts for the rich all around!

[Phil Anderer]

Getting back onto the topic, as has already been suggested, I am one of the many who isn't a member of any political party, but if I wanted Labour to have a realistic chance of winning the next election, I'd be voting Liz Kendall. She actually talks a lot of sense, and as for the nonsense one women levelled at her because she's not a mother - I'm not a father, does that diminish me as a man? No, so ignoring Bill's misdirection in the thread title, the vote is for Liz Kendall, as she has the best chance of winning the votes of 'Middle England' that Tony Bliar did in '97, '01 and '05. I fail to see how Labour can win without them, as the further left they go, the less they appeal to the more aspirational working and lower middle classes.

[SimplyRed MFC]

I think Chuka Umuna & and Dan Jarvis are just biding their time until whoever becomes the next Labour leader loses the next election.

Both are credible but have probably realised that the timing is very wrong.
As for this ridiculously over-extended leadership contest :

Andy Burnham - Good on NHS protection & solid Northern credentials
Liz Kendall - Best chance of increasing Labour vote at next election
Jeremy Corbyn - Sort of admire his principles but its not 1972 and would see Labour knackered
Yvette Cooper - Yawn, sorry. I struggle to remember anything she says

So I guess, Labour would do best with some sort of Burnham/Kendall alliance but then I would be worried about Union over-interference

Either way I think Labour have very serious problems in the short & medium term

[mrpotatohead]

So its ''bootsy Collins'' for you then Steve, p.s, has the p.a at the globe been fixed yet?

[SimplyRed MFC]

Bootsy Collins v Boris Johnson ?
I'd buy a ticket for that one