O/t Calais

[marky No.1]

How many more do we accommodate ?

154,000 officially and rising fairly rapidly I would imagine

[shrimpnsave]

How many more do we accommodate ?

154,000 officially and rising fairly rapidly I would imagine

Official figures ya can double that

[George Dawes]

Controlled migration is the way, just don't like how some are making out people are being wankers because. they choose a firm but fair attitude on borders.

[Phil Anderer]

There's one reason the refugees want to come here that as yet no one's mentioned. I believe that we now have the fastest growing economy in Europe. Compare it to Greece, Spain and Italy, which are much more easily reached from North Africa, and why on earth stop there? Also Germany seems to have the most generous benefits for asylum seekers, partly as a consequence of which they take in many more refugees than we do.

[shrimpnsave]

Controlled migration is the way, just don't like how some are making out people are being wankers because. they choose a firm but fair attitude on borders.

Read that but don't understand what you mean George

[shrimpnsave]

There's one reason the refugees want to come here that as yet no one's mentioned. I believe that we now have the fastest growing economy in Europe. Compare it to Greece, Spain and Italy, which are much more easily reached from North Africa, and why on earth stop there? Also Germany seems to have the most generous benefits for asylum seekers, partly as a consequence of which they take in many more refugees than we do.

So there economic migrants then

[George Dawes]

Also Germany seems to have the most generous benefits for asylum seekers, partly as a consequence of which they take in many more refugees than we do.

Can't help but think they're on a massive guilt trip from WW2, and ordinary Germans are trying to make amends by restoring their reputation.

[shrimpnsave]

Also Germany seems to have the most generous benefits for asylum seekers, partly as a consequence of which they take in many more refugees than we do.

Can't help but think they're on a massive guilt trip from WW2, and ordinary Germans are trying to make amends by restoring their reputation.

Oh really,the Germans couldn't win the war back then so what do they do? Angela Merkel has a plan an its called the EU!!!

[Phil Anderer]

There's one reason the refugees want to come here that as yet no one's mentioned. I believe that we now have the fastest growing economy in Europe. Compare it to Greece, Spain and Italy, which are much more easily reached from North Africa, and why on earth stop there? Also Germany seems to have the most generous benefits for asylum seekers, partly as a consequence of which they take in many more refugees than we do.

So they're economic migrants then

Just like the Brits in the early 80s going to Germany to get work when there was none here...anyone old enough to remember Auf Wiedersehen Pet? And by the way, I've corrected your grammar (please note the spelling, MPH)

[Phil Anderer]

Also Germany seems to have the most generous benefits for asylum seekers, partly as a consequence of which they take in many more refugees than we do.

Can't help but think they're on a massive guilt trip from WW2, and ordinary Germans are trying to make amends by restoring their reputation.

I think most Germans are way beyond that by now George. I'm not far off 50, and my Mum was born the year WW2 started. I'm sure most Germans feel no guilt for what happened then. Do you feel guitly over Dresden? Do Americans feel guilty over Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[shrimpnsave]

There's one reason the refugees want to come here that as yet no one's mentioned. I believe that we now have the fastest growing economy in Europe. Compare it to Greece, Spain and Italy, which are much more easily reached from North Africa, and why on earth stop there? Also Germany seems to have the most generous benefits for asylum seekers, partly as a consequence of which they take in many more refugees than we do.

So they're economic migrants then

Just like the Brits in the early 80s going to Germany to get work when there was none here...anyone old enough to remember Auf Wiedersehen Pet? And by the way, I've corrected your grammar (please note the spelling, MPH)

Can migrants understand Grammar

[Phil Anderer]

Just like the Brits in the early 80s going to Germany to get work when there was none here...anyone old enough to remember Auf Wiedersehen Pet? And by the way, I've corrected your grammar (please note the spelling, MPH)

Can migrants understand Grammar

Can some on SVs?

[SolentShrimp]

There's an awful lot of emotive rubbish talked about the 'refugees and asylum seekers'. The overwhelming majority are simply economic migrants.

For the French or anyone else to claim that they have taken in more immigrants than the UK is cobblers, given the fact that last year alone the UK took in nearly 300,000 of them, and around 3 Million [probably a lot more] over the past 10 years.

It can't carry on at this rate, our infrastructure is creaking under the strain. There's a severe housing shortage, and ever increasing friction caused by the apparent inability to remove illegals, or failed asylum seekers.

It isn't 'compassion' that's needed, but practical help in limiting numbers until we are able to accommodate them properly.

Merely parroting the usual 'humanitarian help' rhetoric isn't helpful. In fact it's damaging to a VERY generous nation of charitable givers!

Do we lack compassion? Not if it comes at too great cost to ourselves.

The cost of uncontrolled immigration both 'legal' and illegal has consequences not comprehended by those who advocate it. How come? Mainly because those who advocate are well off, middle-class Left Wingers who are not affected in the short term by the effects.

It is the Lefties who lack compassion. They lack it for the working classes of the UK!

When a football ground reaches capacity the gates are closed. Well, the UK has reached that capacity too!

[Keith]

Right wing bollocks about economic migrants from someone who worked most of his career abroad
Actual false emotive statement, not backed up by the facts
Made up statistic that more than 5% of the UK population are migrants
Infrastructure failing, not due to government underfunding but all those pesky migrants on £35 a week.
No need for compassion.
No need for humanitarian attitudes.

Do we lack compassion? Yes if it comes at cost to ourselves.
Daily Mail style headline nonesense.

A condensed version of your post.

[Christies Child]

Just out of interest how many migrants does the IoM have....

[Freez]

Keith is one of the statistics!!

[Keith]

Keith is one of the statistics!!

Exactly! Economic migrant, lack of opportunity in Morecambe area, so I moved somewhere that had better opportunity. Population when I moved here was roughly 55,000 now it is about 85,000 so probably more migrants than Manx born.

The issue should be about enabling people to be productive.

[SolentShrimp]

And the eligibity criteria you had to meet in order to live and work on the Isle of Man was?

[Keith]

And the eligibity criteria you had to meet in order to live and work on the Isle of Man was?

Work Permit for the job (not person) for five years. New WP required for any new job during that time.

Can be deported & banned from Island for convictions during the first ten years. Usually convictions related to drugs and/or violent behaviour but occasionally finances or persistent offending.

No right to access Social Care during the first five years but can access Health Care (despite the department being the DoH&SC!) Minimal benefits.

[slackAlice2]

SolentShrimp

When a football ground reaches capacity the gates are closed. Well, the UK has reached that capacity too!

Yeah… but I’ve come a long , long , long way and I can see through a gap that the ground isn’t that full , there are empty seats and there are some people taking up a lot more room than they need.
I can also see what a ball a lot of the people are having, loads of food and drink and the people inside seem to be able to come and go as they please, they can come outside the ground and then go back in at will.
The facilities inside are like a palace, clean running water, toilets, and medical attention should you need it, help if you get lost, police and stewards if anybody’s intimidating you or harassing you.

It isn’t much fun out here I can tell you , none of the above and its dangerous with NO protection or safe place.

What reason can you give me for not allowing me in then? You see where I’ve come from there ain’t any football or grounds, or if there was its all been destroyed.

The rules state you’ve reached capacity; who makes the rules?
So the people inside are just lucky are they? They got there first or they’ve always been in there and they are going to stay there for as long as they want?

I’m just really unlucky am I ? ?

You see I just want to come in and enjoy what you’re enjoying, I’ve dreamed of getting in there for about 20 years now.
In fact I’ve stopped dreaming now, I’m coming in by hook or by crook; even if it kills me.
There’s no where else to go.

[SolentShrimp]

Yeah… but I’ve come a long , long , long way and I can see through a gap that the ground isn’t that full, there are empty seats and there are some people taking up a lot more room than they need.

Sorry mate. It's our football ground, we set the capacity, and so far as we're concerned it's full.

I can also see what a ball a lot of the people are having, loads of food and drink and the people inside seem to be able to come and go as they please, they can come outside the ground and then go back in at will.

I've told you once, it's our ground, we make the rules, and it's full.

The facilities inside are like a palace, clean running water, toilets, and medical attention should you need it, help if you get lost, police and stewards if anybody’s intimidating you or harassing you.

I don't know who told you that. The ground's full, it's Safety Certificate is running out, and all the ground facilities are in disrepair. There's no food available in the canteen for a lot of the fans. That's three times I've told you that you're not coming in.

It isn’t much fun out here I can tell you, none of the above and its dangerous with NO protection or safe place.

Believe me, it's not much fun for a lot of people already in the ground. That's the fourth time!

What reason can you give me for not allowing me in then? You see where I’ve come from there ain’t any football or grounds, or if there was its all been destroyed.

Heard it all before mate. How much did it cost you to get here? I'm losing count now, please go away.

The rules state you’ve reached capacity; who makes the rules?
So the people inside are just lucky are they? They got there first or they’ve always been in there and they are going to stay there for as long as they want? I’m just really unlucky am I ? ?

I didn't vote the idiots who made the rules. In fact, so far as I know I don't think anybody voted for them! Please go away!

You see I just want to come in and enjoy what you’re enjoying, I’ve dreamed of getting in there for about 20 years now. In fact I’ve stopped dreaming now, I’m coming in by hook or by crook; even if it kills me.

That's a nice mobile phone you've got!

There’s no where else to go.

I know the feeling mate, I don't think I belong here nowadays. I'd emigrate to another team, but you know what they say about the grass not being any greener on the other side!

Have a nice day.

[Freez]

Those are opinions, not usable answers by the way!

[slackAlice2]

Go away please !

I'll tell you what you can do with "Your go away please" !
We ain't going anywhere; because I REALLY mean to get in there.

Just because 'some' people were lucky enough to be born on the right side of the fence and we weren't; we should crawl back to where we've come from and live a life of poverty / terror / misery ?

I think its the start of things . The UK will have to take its fair share in the future ; its part of being a 'highly successful , relatively wealthy nation', you've got to KEEP helping others for as long as it takes.
Have rules about who can claim what and how many people you can support.
But higher fences and more dogs is just stalling , silly , gesture politics , pandering to right wing types.
The 'I'm alright Jack brigade'.
Have a nice day.
This lot probably will end up sending the military down there if it doesn't calm down.

[Keith]

How many of us think the gulf between the Premiership and the rest of football has grown too wide? In fact, even the top third of the Premiership and the rest? Wouldn't football be better all around if the cake was cut a little bit fairer?

[marky No.1]

There is a top 5, then 3 more holding on to their shirtstrings, then 12 from the bottom half who together with the yoyos from the Championship are all on the same level with the occasional injection as they lay their hands on the TV money.

In Man Utds desperation to compete they have offered £100m for Bale, wonder if they will let him across the Channel?