Tutte?

[Phoenix Shrimp 2017]

Could have done with him today with Wildig going Moby Dick. Didn't feature at all? Has he well and truly spit his dummy out after his petulance last game? Not one of Jimbos' finest moments signing him IMHO. It's at times like these you need your senior pros to step up and be counted, not go off sulking!

[KenH]

Could have done with him today with Wildig going Moby Dick. Didn't feature at all? Has he well and truly spit his dummy out after his petulance last game? Not one of Jimbos' finest moments signing him IMHO. It's at times like these you need your senior pros to step up and be counted, not go off sulking!

Not for the first time either.

Also, he's a Jeckyl & Hyde character on the pitch - when HE wants to do it, he plays really well, but some times he's acted as if he was playing under protest and showed nothing at all - just did the bare minimum. Definitely one of Jim's worst signings and presumably not cheap either given his pedigree. Hopefully can be loaned out in January and whatever savings can be put towards a more dedicated player.

[Andy D]

Love to see Buxton holding the midfield spraying the ball about, but totally accept Derek Adams wanting to build a team of athletes who can run from box to box for 90mins.

[glagys]

Could have done with him today with Wildig going Moby Dick. Didn't feature at all? Has he well and truly spit his dummy out after his petulance last game

What petulance ? I must have missed that

[Keith]

MorecambeFC.com said both Wildig & Tutte were ill.

[jbc.shrimp]

Love to see Buxton holding the midfield spraying the ball about, but totally accept Derek Adams wanting to build a team of athletes who can run from box to box for 90mins.

But can we afford these sort of players ?

[Andy D]

Love to see Buxton holding the midfield spraying the ball about, but totally accept Derek Adams wanting to build a team of athletes who can run from box to box for 90mins.

But can we afford these sort of players ?

Can certainly make a lot of the players we already have fitter, and already they are looking just that, they’re certainly improving, look more organised pressing teams.

[thedoc]

I've never understood why we signed either Tutte or Cranston, personally. At Crewe in their first game when we lost 6-0, I thought that neither of them were good enough to compete in League Two and nothing I have seen subsequently has changed this opinion. I don't like either of their attitudes on the pitch - Cranston showed that he has a dodgy mentality at Port Vale with a classic bit of stupidity - and Tutte's constant back-chat to referees could have got him into big trouble on countless occasions. I hope that Derek gets rid of both of them - but who would be daft enough to sign either of these men?

[Little Shrimp]

I've never understood why we signed either Tutte or Cranston, personally. At Crewe in their first game when we lost 6-0, I thought that neither of them were good enough to compete in League Two and nothing I have seen subsequently has changed this opinion. I don't like either of their attitudes on the pitch - Cranston showed that he has a dodgy mentality at Port Vale with a classic bit of stupidity - and Tutte's constant back-chat to referees could have got him into big trouble on countless occasions. I hope that Derek gets rid of both of them - but who would be daft enough to sign either of these men?

Bit harsh that. Tutte's a pretty good quality League Two midfielder. Technically quite good on the ball, good passer and a rocket of a shot. Saw a stat earlier highlighting him as being one of our most creatively efficient players for creating shooting chances. Important part of a promotion side with Bury a few years back, pretty sure the only reason we were able to sign him is because of his glass hamstrings.

Cranston's a strange one. Decent footballer, and one of the few players in our side who can pick up the ball and really drive us up the pitch with his dribbling ability. Pre-red card at Port Vale, he was playing excellently and was giving us a serious threat on the counter. Works hard, but defensively can be pretty shoddy sometimes - think we'd all agree he's better on the wing than in defence. Also our only other player who can shoot from range and was a hugely important part of the squad last season covering in different positions. True the red card was ridiculous and cost us a game, but it's not really on to judge him so universally because of that. His attitude has generally been very good from what I've seen - usually full of hard running and working for the team.

Very unfair to say you judged both players based on Crewe last season too. The real culprits of that game were Oates, Mandeville and Ellison. None of them got their act together to properly defend so we were completely overrun down the flanks and midfield. There was very little Cranston or Tutte could have done in that game.

[Phoenix Shrimp 2017]

Could have done with him today with Wildig going Moby Dick. Didn't feature at all? Has he well and truly spit his dummy out after his petulance last game

What petulance ? I must have missed that

'I saw Tutte chuck his bib away and storm down the tunnel after DA used Miller as his final sub.

DA isn't here to make friends. There was no grand entrance and there was no acknowledgement to the crowd at full time. He is here to do a professional job and I quite like how he goes about his business'.

Not sure how to link this to another topic but the above is from Berlin Wallers post on the Carlisle game thread.

[thedoc]

[quote]Too far away and not seeing enough games really to comment but I'm going to do it anyway[quote]

Well at least you do what it says on the tin...

[thedoc]

DA isn't here to make friends. There was no grand entrance and there was no acknowledgement to the crowd at full time. He is here to do a professional job and I quite like how he goes about his business

Totally agree.

[redrobo]

Tutt is a prime example of the legacy that JB left us with.

A far too big a squad of 27 at least 10 if not more are not EFL2 standard and what is even more criminal in my eyes is that JB spent (some would argue wasted ) the entire budget leaving nothing for signings come January.

JB built a number of differing squads over the years that produced season after season nothing more than a fight against relegation a fight that DA has inherited and if we do go down the fault lies entirely with JB.

JB should have gone much sooner and no other club would have accepted such a dismal record.

[Keith]

Tutt is a prime example of the legacy that JB left us with.

A far too big a squad of 27 at least 10 if not more are not EFL2 standard and what is even more criminal in my eyes is that JB spent (some would argue wasted ) the entire budget leaving nothing for signings come January.

JB built a number of differing squads over the years that produced season after season nothing more than a fight against relegation a fight that DA has inherited and if we do go down the fault lies entirely with JB.

JB should have gone much sooner and no other club would have accepted such a dismal record.

How much of the inadequate budget do you think Jim should have saved?

Can you imagine the crap he'd have got if Aaron Collins had left and he'd said "well, I've saved some money for January"??? We offered Mandeville a contract but he went in to non-League because it was more money elsewhere. To save money for January, you have to have an adequate budget in the first place! Yes, the squad is probably too big, but in previous years, we've not had enough to put out a full team. There were many occasions in previous seasons where Jim had two or three players on the bench who weren't fit to come on, but were there to keep the opposition manager guessing. We've got a bigger squad because we've got players who are injury prone. Tutte is one of those. Wildig another. AJ a third. If all three are fit and performing to their best, they are excellent players, but we need back up because they often aren't. If Jim had a decent budget and squandered it, then fair enough but he's been patching a squad together out of nothing season after season.

Most people (Neil included) suggested that the poor league position was down to bad management, not poor squad. Now we've a new manager and it is suddenly the poor squad and you will continue to blame the ex-manager anyway.

I hope the owners stump up some cash in January and I still think there is enough in the squad to pull us clear, but it will be tight again. Then we can see Derek build for next year, hopefully as a League Two side again.

[redrobo]

Remind me please....how many of the 27 man squad have actually figured in a first team game selection that includes those that remained on the bench....

I'll say it again JB squandered a lot of his budget on players who had not been given their chance despite results week after week being negative. That for me calls into question his and KMcK judgement on players.

It will be interesting to see if his first signing at AFC Fylde this week fairs better than some at The Globe in getting valuable game time.

[black morse]

Could have done with him today with Wildig going Moby Dick. Didn't feature at all? Has he well and truly spit his dummy out after his petulance last game

What petulance ? I must have missed that

'I saw Tutte chuck his bib away and storm down the tunnel after DA used Miller as his final sub.

DA isn't here to make friends. There was no grand entrance and there was no acknowledgement to the crowd at full time. He is here to do a professional job and I quite like how he goes about his business'.

Not sure how to link this to another topic but the above is from Berlin Wallers post on the Carlisle game thread.

Saw him happily give a couple of selfies yesterday so he's not too aloof

[Shrimpy]

Tutt is a prime example of the legacy that JB left us with.

A far too big a squad of 27 at least 10 if not more are not EFL2 standard and what is even more criminal in my eyes is that JB spent (some would argue wasted ) the entire budget leaving nothing for signings come January.

JB built a number of differing squads over the years that produced season after season nothing more than a fight against relegation a fight that DA has inherited and if we do go down the fault lies entirely with JB.

JB should have gone much sooner and no other club would have accepted such a dismal record.

How much of the inadequate budget do you think Jim should have saved?

Can you imagine the crap he'd have got if Aaron Collins had left and he'd said "well, I've saved some money for January"??? We offered Mandeville a contract but he went in to non-League because it was more money elsewhere. To save money for January, you have to have an adequate budget in the first place! Yes, the squad is probably too big, but in previous years, we've not had enough to put out a full team. There were many occasions in previous seasons where Jim had two or three players on the bench who weren't fit to come on, but were there to keep the opposition manager guessing. We've got a bigger squad because we've got players who are injury prone. Tutte is one of those. Wildig another. AJ a third. If all three are fit and performing to their best, they are excellent players, but we need back up because they often aren't. If Jim had a decent budget and squandered it, then fair enough but he's been patching a squad together out of nothing season after season.

Most people (Neil included) suggested that the poor league position was down to bad management, not poor squad. Now we've a new manager and it is suddenly the poor squad and you will continue to blame the ex-manager anyway.

I hope the owners stump up some cash in January and I still think there is enough in the squad to pull us clear, but it will be tight again. Then we can see Derek build for next year, hopefully as a League Two side again.

I'm a big fan of the work Jim has done for us over the years but personally think he got a lot of things wrong over the Summer in hindsight.

The squad is too large for a start but it's more the makeup of the squad and types of players we've signed that are the issue for me.

We lost Zak Mills, an attacking full back who was our player of the year and got up and down the flank. We replaced him with an experienced pro who is the polar opposite in playing style to Mills and after a few months he's been replaced with a teenager on loan from Man Utd. A complete waste of a wage.

Too much faith was kept in the likes of Kenyon, Tutte, Cranston, Wildig, all of whom were here and part of the squad that were dreadful for the first half of last season. At least two of them shouldn't have been given a new deal in the Summer and instead replaced with new players.

Collins, Bennett and Oliver were all lost from the forward line leaving us with only AJ Leitch-Smith as an out and out striker. Their replacements were Cole Stockton, Shaun Miller and Lewis Alessandra, all players that Jim has worked with previously, very unimaginative. Miller, Alessandra and AJLS are all too similar in style, neat and tidy players but not physical and not especially speedy. Why did we sign so many players in such a similar mould? It has really limited our options up front and Miller especially is now nothing but a waste of space in the squad. A forward line made up of a physical presence in Stockton, AJLS & Alessandra + a quick player would have been far better.

The whole side lacks pace, we are so pedestrian going forward, whilst John O'Sullivan is again, a neat and tidy player, he doesn't worry defenders, doesn't go at people and take them on and Kev is in his 40's now so offers no threat on the opposite flank either.

Why sign Michael Howard if you're never going to play him? Why did Mendes-Gomes never get a game? At least they appear to be more direct and have a bit of pace about them.

So in summary I think Jim, whilst I've no doubt he did his best in getting together what he thinks are the best players he could bring to the club he's neglected getting any kind of pacey and direct forwards, instead we're stuck with a bunch of "good footballers" who have no pace resulting in us being very easy to defend against it it being incredibly hard for us to break teams down. This also isn't helped by deciding to bring in a defensive minded full back in Buxton to replace Mills.

We have too many experienced pros aged 27+ and not enough young and hungry players. A recruitment policy similar to what Macclesfield did this Summer would have been preferable.

[mrpotatohead]

You lot whined about him when he was here performing an annual miracle ,and now you are all set to carry on whining about him now he has gone, it's tedious and pathetic, there is a squad of 27 professional footballers to fashion something out of, if the manager is up to it he should be able to keep us up, and for some, that will not be good enough, as a person with a sunny disposition I tend to look on the bright side, I'd hate to walk around under a permanent cloud all the time, I actually pity the moaning Minnies !!!

[SupermarketShrimp]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

[Gone_Shrimping]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

I see Allesandra is following AFC Fylde now so expect him to join Jim.

[Slanester]

I love our club, and always will, come hell or high water. I remain confident, that DA will keep us up.

For the right man, as manager of Fylde, there is the money available, and it WILL be used to achieve their goal. Currently, as we all know, JB is there doing well, and that will be backed further, as he deems necessary. Good luck to them.

[Phil Anderer]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

Just wondering Supermarket Shrimp how you assert 'it's pretty clear he's got some serious cash...'. I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case, and I'm assuming we'll only get new players in if existing ones can be moved on/out on loan.

[marky No.1]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

Just wondering Supermarket Shrimp how you assert 'it's pretty clear he's got some serious cash...'. I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case, and I'm assuming we'll only get new players in if existing ones can be moved on/out on loan.

Referring to Fylde?

[SupermarketShrimp]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

Just wondering Supermarket Shrimp how you assert 'it's pretty clear he's got some serious cash...'. I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case, and I'm assuming we'll only get new players in if existing ones can be moved on/out on loan.

He's turned down Motherwell wasn't it as he'd "given his word".

I'm expecting a whole scale squad replacement.

[Phil Anderer]

Jim has turned Fylde round and they are climbing the table.

We have 2 points from 4 and 2 sendings' off.

It's pretty clear he's worked out who's staying and going and he's got some serious cash to throw at it in the new year.

The question I ask is that given Jim's missed out on so many players over the last few years, where has the magic money tree come from?

I see Andy Kellett has just joined AFC Fylde. A man who he's coveted for ages. Strange.

Just wondering Supermarket Shrimp how you assert 'it's pretty clear he's got some serious cash...'. I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case, and I'm assuming we'll only get new players in if existing ones can be moved on/out on loan.

Referring to Fylde?

Didn't read that way to me, and given the subsequent post I'd say not.