New Coach required?

[marky]

Maybe if the post was titled additional coach rather than NEW would have stopped me jumping in at the deep end.

Pure semantics and you know it. Additional, new, etc... What difference does the wording make? As we don't currently have a defensive coach, any brought in would be new. I happen to agree that the squad could benefit and, I don't know, maybe improve defensively? It's not about having a go at the current management, it's about improvement. Best finish or not, we need to get better in the defensive department (which doesn't necessarily just mean defenders) and a specialist coach could help. Besides, if we do ever get promotion, it's likely the club would need to employ extra coaches. It's a very unusual League 1 side that doesn't have more than 2 members of the coaching team...

[RedRedWine1]

I saw the thread starter, and expected this to be about organising funding for a Milnethorpe supporters bus.....how I wish it was.

Let the management team manage, and the supporters support.

[marky No.1]

Pure semantics and you know it.

Bit harsh Marky! How do you know what I know?

We will agree on the quest for improvement

[Christies Child]

I saw the thread starter, and expected this to be about organising funding for a Milnethorpe supporters bus.....how I wish it was.

Let the management team manage, and the supporters support.

....never asking questions, make suggestions or express an opinion.

[shrimper]

If my post had said 'an additional coach is needed' then i would agree with both Mark and Glen.

However, my post asked a question. It was not demanding that an additional coach should be brought in.

Take a look at other clubs in our league and you will see that the manager has a number of specialists to assist him.

Interestingly a number are actually in favour of additional help being given to our management team.

Fair enough, then. To answer your question: No, not if our excellent management team don't think so.

[parceldave]

Maybe if the post was titled additional coach rather than NEW would have stopped me jumping in at the deep end.

Pure semantics and you know it. Additional, new, etc... What difference does the wording make? As we don't currently have a defensive coach, any brought in would be new. I happen to agree that the squad could benefit and, I don't know, maybe improve defensively? It's not about having a go at the current management, it's about improvement. Best finish or not, we need to get better in the defensive department (which doesn't necessarily just mean defenders) and a specialist coach could help. Besides, if we do ever get promotion, it's likely the club would need to employ extra coaches. It's a very unusual League 1 side that doesn't have more than 2 members of the coaching team...

Pure Bullshit, so what you are saying in real terms is that S.M and his assistant are not up to their jobs. How many f..kin people do you want to run a football team for goodness sake . So lets have a goalkeeping coach , defensive coach ,midfield coach and a striker coach. I thought Mark Lillis was supposed to be one of the best coaches in the league . The only way to improve this team is by better players .

[Keith]

I think there is a fundamental issue regarding the so called 'defensive frailties' and that is the style of play we've employed for much of last season which has involved 'going for it'. Often goals have come from an attacking position where we lose the ball and the opposition stream forward before we can regroup. We conceded a lot but we also had the third highest number of goals scored. I have openly stated in the past that I'd rather we played good entertaining football and 'go for it'. We've done that this season, playing some really entertaining football and scoring plenty of goals.

Yes we could bring in a 'specialist coach' or we could bring in 'better players' but all these things cost money. Realistically, we've just had our best ever season, playing decent football. Obviously we want to see an incremental improvement but I don't think we need massive changes.

[marky]

Pure Bullshit, so what you are saying in real terms is that S.M and his assistant are not up to their jobs. How many f..kin people do you want to run a football team for goodness sake . So lets have a goalkeeping coach , defensive coach ,midfield coach and a striker coach. I thought Mark Lillis was supposed to be one of the best coaches in the league . The only way to improve this team is by better players .

Getting specialist help in an area where we are comparatively weak is not an admission of failure, nor is suggesting it might help showing a belief that the management are not up to the job. Yes, better players would certainly contrubute to alleviating the problem but it won't solve it entirely. I've argued for bringing in around 6 new (and better) players but many on here are of the belief we don't need to do that

[George Dawes]

i dont think the answer to our so called defensive problems is signing even more defenders


for me we just lose possession of the ball to easy its the quality of our passing what needs addressing


the times commentators who said in recent months that Morecambe dont look like a team that are in the play-offs but are somehow getting results


i always listen on the away commentery on the media player to get a alternative opinion/feedback about us and match reports

[parceldave]

Like i said earlier :-
Too many cooks spoil the broth CC, from the games i have seen this season our main problem is the amount of time and space we give the opposition to run at our defence . Paul Scholes on loan for a season would rectify that problem. The two games against Northampton highlighted the problems we have , from my point of view anyway and probably away at Notts Co too, are pace composure and muscle.

[marky No.1]

Pure Bullshit, so what you are saying in real terms is that S.M and his assistant are not up to their jobs. How many f..kin people do you want to run a football team for goodness sake . So lets have a goalkeeping coach , defensive coach ,midfield coach and a striker coach. I thought Mark Lillis was supposed to be one of the best coaches in the league . The only way to improve this team is by better players .

Not like you to sit on the fence, Dave!

Some would see that as a bit harsh

p.s. if we had Paul Scholes on loan that would be more than our full playing budget gone in about 9 seconds!

[Keith]

I've argued for bringing in around 6 new (and better) players but many on here are of the belief we don't need to do that

I'd say we need 18 new players and three new coaches as well as massive investment in our youth structure if we are to have any chance of qualifying for Europe next season and being in the Champions League within five years...

It's not that we disagree that bringing in better players wouldn't make us a better team, it's a belief that we have to 'cut our cloth accordingly'. I don't think we should be bringing in six "better" (AKA "more expensive") players at this time because I think the squad is capable of doing as well as this season. With the couple of additions, we can do better. Development, not open heart surgery!

[parceldave]

Pure Bullshit, so what you are saying in real terms is that S.M and his assistant are not up to their jobs. How many f..kin people do you want to run a football team for goodness sake . So lets have a goalkeeping coach , defensive coach ,midfield coach and a striker coach. I thought Mark Lillis was supposed to be one of the best coaches in the league . The only way to improve this team is by better players .

Not like you to sit on the fence, Dave!

Some would see that as a bit harsh

p.s. if we had Paul Scholes on loan that would be more than our full playing budget gone in about 9 seconds!

Sorry mate , i was a bit pissed when i got in this morning , did a 12 hr shift yesterday. .Meru wasn't too chuffed when i rang her either. I didn't think Scholesy would need the money , how about Lee Carsley then , he shouldn't be too expensive at his age .

[outsider]

OK I'll have the job...............

1) If in doubt put it out, they can't score if it's in the stands!

2) If any of you were good enough to beat 3 forwards, then find a killer pass thru there defence you would NOT be playing in league 2

3) Stay goal side at set pieces

How hard can it be?

[marky No.1]

I saw the thread starter, and expected this to be about organising funding for a Milnethorpe supporters bus.....how I wish it was.

Let the management team manage, and the supporters support.

....never asking questions, make suggestions or express an opinion.

All credit to you for raising subjects for debate. You have raised the bar in terms of hitting the spot in certain departments and get more bites than being in The Trossachs in August. We are busy on here playing happy families and you come along and spoil it!
Certain people tune in just to see the latest instalment of the CC Show!

Sorry mate , i was a bit pissed when i got in this morning , did a 12 hr shift yesterday. .Meru wasn't too chuffed when i rang her either.

Dave I thought you were in charge of the remote nowadays

[Castaway]

Too many cooks spoil the broth CC, from the games i have seen this season our main problem is the amount of time and space we give the opposition to run at our defence . Paul Scholes on loan for a season would rectify that problem.

I agree with you on the first point. The games I've seen, sometimes we haved lack the legs in the middle of the park to outbattle (take our games against Accrington) and stop opposing players running straight at our defence. However, a scholes type of player wouldnt be the answer as 60% of his tackles are lunges and 10% of them end in yellow cards. I'd like to see a reasonably young player with an engine to get up and down the pitch alongside Stanley.

[George Dawes]

^^

maybe a fit Manny Panther after a good pre-season under his belt?

[marky]

I don't think we should be bringing in six "better" (AKA "more expensive") players at this time because I think the squad is capable of doing as well as this season

Whereas I don't for one very simple reason. If we try and 'stand still' in terms of the squad we have we'll very quickly find ourselves falling behind a few of the, shall we say, more established League clubs. I'm thinking of the likes of Bradford, Port Vale, Northmapton, Crewe, etc. I know there are still some fans out there who still think it's just fantastic to be in the same league as all these but I don't share that view. I'd like us to do our level best to continue to be better than them (within reason). Personally I believe that means replacing some of the older legs in the first team who, whilst they still have a massive part to play in our immediate future, are coming towards the end, either in terms of the football league or as players in general. As a point of interest, I said the same about Adams & Twiss this time last year and in the end, I was proved right

Edit - Actually, Keith, I would be more inclined to agree with you if our squad was full of young players who are ever improving a la Dagenham. However, that is sadly not the case...

[captain sparkle]

Definitely need a new coach

I was thinking along the same lines when clicking the link!!!

me too, but this would be better, when it's painted up in Morecambe council colours again.



http://www.morecambeheritagebus.co.uk/heritage-tour.html


Still time to donate folks, it's in the Visitor this next week, so I'm led to believe!!
The Captains beard

[Keith]

I don't think we should be bringing in six "better" (AKA "more expensive") players at this time because I think the squad is capable of doing as well as this season

Whereas I don't for one very simple reason. If we try and 'stand still' in terms of the squad we have we'll very quickly find ourselves falling behind a few of the, shall we say, more established League clubs. I'm thinking of the likes of Bradford, Port Vale, Northmapton, Crewe, etc. I know there are still some fans out there who still think it's just fantastic to be in the same league as all these but I don't share that view. I'd like us to do our level best to continue to be better than them (within reason). Personally I believe that means replacing some of the older legs in the first team who, whilst they still have a massive part to play in our immediate future, are coming towards the end, either in terms of the football league or as players in general. As a point of interest, I said the same about Adams & Twiss this time last year and in the end, I was proved right

Edit - Actually, Keith, I would be more inclined to agree with you if our squad was full of young players who are ever improving a la Dagenham. However, that is sadly not the case...

Nice partial quote, in case you missed it all, I actually said...

It's not that we disagree that bringing in better players wouldn't make us a better team, it's a belief that we have to 'cut our cloth accordingly'. I don't think we should be bringing in six "better" (AKA "more expensive") players at this time because I think the squad is capable of doing as well as this season. With the couple of additions, we can do better. Development, not open heart surgery!

We don't need to replace more than half the first team, or approximately a third of the squad. Nor do I think we can afford to do so. So at no point did I say we should "stand still".

I can't believe that you don't think it is "fantastic" to be in the same league as Bradford, Port Vale et-al? Do you honestly believe that we have the same resources as these clubs? Bradford City AVERAGED FIVE TIMES AS MANY FANS AS US! To put that into context, Crystal Palace finishing above Manchester Utd (Palace averaged 1/5th of Manchester United's attendance) Fantastic? Too damn right! Sit back? No, that isn't what I said, even if you quoted me to look like it!
Enjoy it! Love it!!! SMILE ABOUT IT!!!
Rip the heart out of the team and throw money that we've not got in to chasing some kind of dream? No, that way madness lies... ask Darlington fans.

[marky]

Now who is being selective I used the words "think it is just fantastic". The use of the word just is important, for I was talking about the fans who think we should just be happy to be in the league we're in, shouldn't care too much about where we finish and shouldn't try and better ourselves. We're here, we've proved we can compete and now I'd like us to go the one step further and add a that little bit of consistency and quality to the squad (both of which we lack in many areas). You can only go so far with team spirit. We've released 6 players (and I can see at least 2 others going before the summer is out). I suspect we'll bring in a minimum of 5 (all of which should be better than what we have otherwise it's pointless).